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Mijamoto, your gonna have to explain that, how are the palestinians wrong in striving for human rights and dignity? The palestinians is probably the most terrorized people on earth (probably with Iraqis as an exeption now). The israelis kill 10 palestinians for every Israeli that dies, Israel is one of the largest criminal stats in the world, the smallest state to have nuclear weapons and has openly racist laws.

You cannot blame palestinians for the situation, Israel is the nation that has supreme power over the current situation. There needs to be a one-state solution in wich all people of different religion and race is accepted as equalls.

yep we are the sons of the giants , old enemies for jews , we fight a tank with a rock .

and israeli people are only 7 million citizen , like 5.5 of them are jews , full of wepons , they cary them even when they are walking , 2poc respected more lol ,

do anybody knows why john kenndy was killed ?

they cought the murder but he didn't say why ?

john kennedy was the first presedent , out of the law . a law to become presedent ,

the law say , the presedent must be white from british decent ,

and ALSO KENNEDY WAS THE FIRST PRESEDENT ASKED THE ISRAEL STATE A SEARCH ON THE NUCLER POWER

ther was a scinests ran from jail and hide in the church , well that church is responsible of my school , that man said that israel could make at least 10 nucler heads in one year ,

ps : next year , maybe it would be the freedom war , cuz it would be the Independent day for israel , the 60 , so calculate as much as you want to know , the pretty cool thing is that all the world knows that they are in an area  like you know america put the nucler heads in deserts of nevada , israel put them in heifa

we know the fight Mijamoto Mushashi , i will write koran

oh the first is talking about how mohamad gone to god , and then about the the fight

god said : " glory to who moved his worshipper from alkiaba to jerusalem , jerusalem which we made it holy place , to show him our mereceles , god see and hear everything * and we gave moses a holy book and we made him the prophets of israeli , so they only take me god * a decent from noah , noah was worshipper and thank us * and we judge to israeli people in this book that they will do bad things in the earth twice , and think your the best * if this came we will send loyalty people , have power , and they enter in their homes and , our promise is made now * and then we do it again but on the loyal people , and we give you money and sons , and made you much more * if you do it good , its only for your good , and the same with your bad , and this the last promise before the judgment day will come and they will win on you and they will enter jerusalem as the first time , and will call me the highest * god may forgive you , and when you back with evil , we will , and we made hell for you , can hold you all * this koran get people to islam and tell them they win and they have a big prise * and those who dont belive in the last day we will make them suffer *

god is always truly say

sorry it's long , but we know on what road we are and what er are doing

Who cares who killed Kennedy, he was an *beep* who deserved it.

Mija, suicide bombings is in many cases the only way palestinians have to fight the Israelis, if your entire family had been killed by some Israelis and there was no other way you could get back at them, Im pretty sure anyone would consider a suicide boming.

I think the core of the problem is that Israel wants to expand its borders and dosnt care how many palestinians they kill.

yes cuz we dont live in past ,breadlord , and also we dont have a good history with them , mate what's happening to you , this fight is judge by god when he creat the earth and you said we have a good history with , but the reall fight started as you said 4000 years ago , jews took lands from canaan's , and then giants took it back ,

jews is the sickest thing happened to me , all europe know that

when muslims get jerusalem in the first time in 636 , do you know what the jews made ? they started to burn a mosque and then burn a church , to make the muslims and the chrtions in fight , but omar moved and said that muslims are not responsible and he made jerusalem forbidden on jews

and what is this 14 years old world , can you explain please

ghoma is impressing me again ,

and now cuz of the wall that wont happen much , why you always say ? (not to you ghoma , to people say we are terorist)

oh this man is terorist he killed himself to kill anther three , "see your self first" as socrat said ( greek phelosipher )

fighting over stories ... no wonder it doesn't stop ...    you're ju*beep*ll of hate, maybe thinking that you're impressive ... you don't even understand what others say, keep throwing god in, while there is no god ... i've said it before, if you're so eager, go to your paradise, preferably next week, say goodbye to your mommy, and go 'sacrifice' yourself.        again you are proving that religion can be dangerously misused as an excuse.

ghouma, i know all that, impossible for me to judge on the rightesnous of any side,  just saying that both sides are trigger-happy .  i'm not blaming the palestinians, actually 'warcrimes' comes in my mind ... how will isreal explain that?  i don't qeustion their tactics,  just the motives.  why, why doesn't this get solved? what keeps it going? a group of crazy people?   where does isreal's money come from? why isn't anything done to stop this funding?   it leads to ... you know who. and the rest of us stand by and watch and do nothing.

Prince you can never blame people for what their parents did, and blaming them for what happend 1000 ye*beep*arlier isnt a very bright thing.

You cant blame palestinans for what induvidual people do, if the palestinian state killed Israelis you could blame thoose who voted for them. The Israeli state is a huge terrorist on the other hand.

well their fathers were bad even from them

see its the same decent , they do bad thing all their life

and who accept to come to israel is terorist jew

and who accept this setuation is a terorist too

but most of the jews not in israel , send israel money , and most of them have newspapers saying in it that we are terorist , i think like 73 magazine and newspaper in america belong to jews , maybe "new york time" as i heared

nice point

There is no way to destroy religious fervor. Both sides will simply keep fighting until they get what they want, be it the submission of the opposing side or its complete annihilation.

And for the record, all this talk about how "America" is crappy and doing all this stuff, and is fundamentalist and whatnot, really gets annoying after a while. Keep in mind it was the government that did all of that, and it was the South that elected the government. Us up in the North didn't really have much of a say.

And keeping on that last point, there are a lot of Americans that think going to war over 3000 civilian deaths was unjustified. But, we all know that we went to war over oil, not "defending freedom" or anything silly like that.

,?  you're in favour of slavery?

(the north was against slavery)

Im with you Lexda, I didnt vote for the rightwing scum here in sweden and I dont feel responosible for them ruining our country.

please isreal wast razed it came from the sky as it was prophecised :P.

you know all the holy wars between jews muslims christians makes me lose faith. if i hate violence and manupilation cant i have a religeon?

"and whatever stalin may do he shure is a better example of democratie then the US has ever seen."

Proof?  Evidence?  Logic?  I hope this is a jest.

"Hes from a small town in geogria and he came from a very poor fammily.
how many presidents did US have who wasnt a millionaire."

Research them.  Lincoln grew up in a log cabin :)

"lol dont be sad

americans troops

americans sons

americans wepons

americans attacks

 etc americans "

Insurgent troops

Insurgent sons

Insurgent weapons

Insurgent Attacks

Etc. Insurgents

"So America is responislbe for all deaths that came with the invasion."

But the invasion lasted only months.  Occupation is a different story, in which Americans cannot be attributed as the direct cause.  Especially when it is insurgent-on-civilian violence.

"If America is given a right to bomb Kabul and invade Afghanistan after 3000 people,"

The usage of the term "invasion" is loose.  America did not come to Afghanistan's doors and start blowing the *beep* out of everything that moved, but rather targeted Taliban and terrorist forces.

"the Iraqis should have the right to bomb the American major cities. Of course thats not a good solution, but thats how sick your logic is."

When did I ever say America had the "right" to invade Iraq?  Let's say a bunch of American fanatics traveled to Iraq and flew a big plane into the most populous urban center.  Then yes, the Iraqis would have a right to "invade," so long as they targeted only those who had committed the offense.

"Compared to what the west have done, the stalinist revisionism is hardly worth mentioning."

Expand upon this.

"Accually Stalins reforms made the workers lifes much better, and it proved that a nation can be industrialised during one generation with socialism. And until the death of stalin workers could fire their bosses."

At the cost of farmers.  And the millions of forced laborers in the Gulag.  In a system that was not true socialism, but rather an emulation of capitalism.  Workers could fire their bosses, yes, but when it came to what the state said, how much choice did they really have? 

"oh come on , you all have right in vote , and i know only americans follow the democres or the republicns only vote , the other people take the election day as a vecation ,"

Do you know how much easier it is to say someone made a mistake once the mistake has clearly been made?  Bush won marginally in both 2000 and 2004, but he won legally.  Personally, when 2008 comes around I will not be voting for a Republican, but neither will I vote for a Democrat who says complete and utter withdrawel, right now.

"At the cost of farmers.  And the millions of forced laborers in the Gulag.  In a system that was not true socialism, but rather an emulation of capitalism.  Workers could fire their bosses, yes, but when it came to what the state said, how much choice did they really have? "

Thoose sent to the Gulags was mostly counter revolutionarys not regular farmers, remember that the huge Russian aristorcracy was against teh revolution. Do you object to theese people doing some real work for the first time in their lives? I dont.

However since the fall of communism 500.000 people dies every year in Russia as consequence of the capitalist system, people who die from unneceary sicknesses that they now cant afford to cure, from hunger, from cold etc etc.
Its the same numbers proportionally in Poland, Baltic states, central asian states etc.

bruto , i respect you hate what your goverment do , but this goverment is doing things in your name , american people dont care to you , you just a citizen from 250 million ciitizen , and

oh come on for 2 buildings you attack one whole country

troops joined the army freely , no body ordered them to,

americans sons obbeyed

americans wepons was made by america , dont tell me for peace , or yea you only gonna use them in forth of july

americans orders to attack

HERE WHAT AMERICA WANTS , THEY WANT TO RULES THE WORLD , WITHOUT ANY PEOPLE KILLED FROM THEIR SIDE ,

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islam is a solve

i really dont know where i have you prince

can you explain this please ?

look no body asked america a help to come to iraq , who made you care so much about us , leave us alone we can handle our self problems

tell me then , france used the veto , to  make america not to  attack iraq but america did attack

and america used the veto , to make the wall which stealing lands from my people , and the wall is remain ,

and soon america will ignore the china and russia veto and attack iran

oh come on you think we are slaves and your the master , so you threating me , when you said america could attack north korea and iran , you just confesed that all the people of america have the responsbility , the sons and the people and the wepons

leave us alone , why you want that ? ,

whats making you really stupid , that you attack us and say we are terorist

we have a phase in arabic says: " he killed and then he cry , and then he ran quicker than me and complain about what happened ."

what did you expect iraqi people do to people come to steal their wealth "giving you a chokolate cake" , of course they will fight , its dignity

ok america belive in god , did god give you right to do this

come on sakaal who is atheist ,  talk in respect ,

come on they are four buildings , they are not build in gold  , not as the dom of the rock , which even if we used all the rights , lol the yo yo right will soon be down

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did you have proof , that bn ladin did this , you attacked like you only wanted a chance to attack like beasts ?

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he didn't come out and say , i did it ,

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why 3000 jew didn't come in that day ? if i asked a baby he would know , cuz they did it ,

jews control money all over the world

yes bin ladin and bush r buddies..

"oh come on you think we are slaves and your the master , so you threating me , when you said america could attack north korea and iran , you just confesed that all the people of america have the responsbility , the sons and the people and the wepons"

No, and no.

"whats making you really stupid , that you attack us and say we are terorist"

No, America does not think every Iraqi is a terrorist.

"what did you expect iraqi people do to people come to steal their wealth "giving you a chokolate cake" , of course they will fight , its dignity "

Many of the insurgents, or their leaders, are former commanders from Saddam's regime.  And they recruit mindless religious fanatics to do their dirty work in the name of religion.  Nor don't forget that many Iraqis welcomed the US invasion and removal of Saddam from power, and many support an independant Iraqi democracy.

"ok america belive in god , did god give you right to do this "

Some would say so.  And terrorists would say god gave them the right to bomb American troops and civilians alike.  Is there some level of comparison between the two?  Yes.  Is the topic of this thread not about religious extremist terror?

"did you have proof , that bn ladin did this , you attacked like you only wanted a chance to attack like beasts ?

he didn't come out and say , i did it , "

... yes, he claimed responsibility for the attacks.

"why 3000 jew didn't come in that day ? if i asked a baby he would know , cuz they did it ,

jews control money all over the world"

This is merely a conspiracy and is unbacked by fact.  (Like most conspiracies theories.)

"do you know why america made bn ladin power ?"

Yes.  Have you ever heard the quote, "the better of two evils?"

"thank god we arab was houner to give islam relegion to you people"

Thank god we have people like Sakaal to give LOGIC to you people.  Oh wait, no, you reject everything he says :)

"So when an insurgent tears off the head of an Iraqi civilian and posts it on the internet to scare the *beep* out of all other Iraqi citizens, that is America's fault too?  There were problems in Iraq before America, and there will be afterwards.  But now that America is there why not chuck all the propoganda at it?"

Your forgetting that most of the civilain violence in Iraq comes from the americas allies in the shia milita under Al Saddr. The insurgents who are fighting america are real freedom fighters, there are several resistance armys that have formed a coalition (with the seven strongest resistance armys in it). This coalition fights Al-Qaida aswell.
There was no problems like corpses all over the streets before america invaded. America knew there would be a bloodbath if they invaded.

"Would the Afghanistan government track down and put Osama on trial?  No."

So America did the same thing as the Talibans...

"Provided the US Government did as Teliban did, legally and illegally, to its own citizens, then yes."

...See last ansver.

"Really?  Make a country other than America the richest in the world with the most international economic issues and see what they do.  Remember the Roman Empire?  Spanish Empire?  British Empire?  America's not the first, and it won't be the last."

Your right. I was childish. To have an empire you need propaganda, nationalism and bloodthirst to have the people supporting your wars, its the same thing in all empires like you say.

"Some, yes.  But 20+ million citizens couldn't possibly have created that large of a threat individually.  Like any reign of terror, the death toll exceeded far beyond reason, into poor farmers or workers or former politicans, or even sons of politicians, or anyone who voiced against Stalin."

There was no 20 million people in detaiment camps, after Gorbachov opened the archives. There was 2 million in labour camps 1939, including regular criminals, of theese 454.000 had commited political crimies. In 1950 there was  578.000 political prisoners in  labour camps.

Now im gonna quote Stalin, "We are 50-100 years behind the advanced countries. We have to close that gap in 10 ye*beep*ither we do it or we will be wiped out."

correction;
There was no 20 million people in detaiment camps, after Gorbachev opend the archives there was an almost 9000 page report on the soviet penal system, that report contradicts the western lies of Stalin killing several millions of  people. There was .............