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the fact that there are so many religions proves one can be easily started without beeing right, and the autority of the people saying a religion is true is the only argument to believe in it, unfortunatly this is a sophism.

yea but some statue  of mary was bleeding or somthing....i think 0.o

that to....all i get is coal =(

What makes science and philosophy superior to religions for me is their built-in attitude of self-correction, or even humility, if put emotionally. Everything that is stated in science or philosophy is recognized to be more or less off the truth--already when first stated. Religions usually lack this characteristic self criticism. To philosophy the truth is more like a direction that can be approached but never be reached. The truth is out there to drive man forward in the right direction.

The philosophical approach is more healthy and less prone to misunderstandings. Many people take religious metaphors literally and they actually think everything stated in their religion is some God-given truth. I think this kind of senseless pride makes religions dangerous. People tend to be mislead by religions. It takes a very mature person to be able to see through all the preaching. And religious people usually preach to children and young people who are unable to handle the material independently or see through the bias.


On the difference between what is "true" and what is "best":

Personally I think science and philosophy should be reserved for the truth-seekers. Those who seek what is best, are leaders and managers, decision makers, of at least their own lives. You need to know what is best when you want to make the right decisions on something where subjective interests are involved. In doing so, you will need a subject first and then you can start thinking of what is best from the subject's point of view.

There is no such thing as "objective best, right or justice", because the concepts of "good" (better, best, right, just) and "bad" (worse, worst, wrong, injust) by definition require a subject or several subjects whose interests are being evaluated. So whenever we are thinking about good and bad, we have actually moved to decision-making, i.e. leadership and management. It is not really very philosophical anymore. There are no truths, just conflicting subjective interests.

From the above you can see that I consider ethics/morals branches of administrative or management schools. I do not think philosophy should use the concepts of good and bad to try to value anything. About good and bad, philosophy should just state something like: For a subjective entity, a categorization between "good" and "bad" things can be done by evaluating them against the subject's interests. Each such evaluation is subjective and out of the scope of objective philosophy. The evaluations can be used for example in decision-making cocerning the subject.

In short, to me ethics is not really philosophy, but administration. I would also go on further to argue that science, mathematics and logic are (more formally restricted and specialized parts of) philosophy.

Religion has links to ethics and tries to answer the same questions like philosophy. So I see religions mostly as (outdated) competition to modern philosophy. However, the real competition these days happens within the school of philosophy, religions still remaining more like idiosyncratic remnants of man's past attempts at knowledge of life, death and beyond. To me philosophy is more "professional" truth-seeking whereas religions are for "amateurs and quaks".

what it beatiful is determined by your mind. The things you see are made by nature through billions of years of evolution and trial. There is no evidence that this is made by a god. It would be rather unlogic of nature to first form a perfect god out of nothing and then that gods creates an imperfect universe.....

and btw why would a god want us to wear silly hats, whine to him for stuff and in the meanwhile let our fellow men cripple? How about you spend all that time you pray for voluntarily work.

Mr. Bertrand IN Shame Report 6/9/2007 12:22:07 PM

OK, then tell me, who created your god then?

about this man i say to him that is secret GOD will tell us when we ask him if we go paradise after armagdon .

but mohamad told us that GOD was the first in nothing but he told us that he dont know more cuz GOD didnt tell him as no body knows

you are a fool ... nothing more ... (maybe you're joking?)

go to a convent and lock yourself up.

I cant believe you still believe in god after the countless of times the church has been proven wrong and science gave proofs on who your so called miracles occur, like your spring that is easily explained by how springs are formed.

and so what is the proof the scince of GOD is the creation . if i talk in this subject with you i will be same as you not all what you touch real.

not everything shine gold

i am muslim not chrtion .chrtion church only made to control peoples money but islam is a thing you cant imagnie ther is rules to every simple .

i said before GOD gave as 2 chioses

1)dont worship me ok welcome to hell.

2)worship me and pray to me and be good as i told you and welcome paradise . and you will say in 1 time i am right

scintiasts said pure water will be run from earth as population huge growing they didnt say wher this water came .

its water pure from desert and endless .  it cant be puloted and even if you put sand and drink it you will have same as water and you feel no sand but if you do it you will be sick cuz as jesus story with devil . if you really prophet jump and so angels will catch you .

you didnt espect what i will say GOD is the merciest but he will not mercy you for not worship him you say no god fine burn in hell .

mbeidas defnding islam and chrtions here

1) yes they said water and food are running out from earth like petrol.

2) we cant let scintists come to a relegoc place to test the water but they didnt ask to send them .its just endless when you take like 1 liter no water is missed its happening in GOD merecale way .

3) when you see hell you will want to go sorry for GOD but you wont and u cant put your finger on fire for 10 seconds and try the hell for eternal . your are runing around youself in this point .

dude what do you worship ??

we muslims have a simple line with chrtions and we treat them as brothers but your talking about a big problem tell if you can tell me wher this human came i say god creat if you can find me the decent of human is way not by chance you have my word .

GOD laughs on you dude you most of nothing worshiping have hard times

only tell me how humans came ????   give me a decent a reason one ???

and i will go to defend your way !!!

I am an atheist, I think instead of believe. That is the difference between you and me you assume without doubt what someone told you while I think about the arguments given and then draw a conclusion.

mankind is "created" by evolution

write understandable english and stop using bible or koran (these are not objective books/stories/myths/crazystuff)

study some real books, and real history ... instead of your religioninfested literature (which holds no evidence, it just states things, not prooving them)

we can proove 'evolution', we can proove how old the moon, the earth the sun, whatever is (through logic , math, deduction, science) ...  you can only say, god exists, and that's it ...   bring a decent example of proof that there may be a god  (crying statues and miracles are not allowed, food and water falling from the skies is fantasy, an example that can be backed up by real, empirical evidence or clues, or logic;  saying that the bible said this or the koran said that is hardly an arguement (anyone can make quotes and not understand them))

(what do you do about the human bones that were found and dated back 75.000 years?)

evolution from what ?? ther must be cheese and bread to make a sandwich

all religions also pagan ones started with one man, so it is possible for one man to start a false religion, now what makes you think jesus/mohammed are right?

I didnt lose life, in fact I probably enjoy it more then you do.

I respect people more then most muslims, who often threaten to kill you when you convert to another religion/ atheisme.

a big cant obviously think because he doesnt have the brain sections to do so.........wich seems quite obvious, if you lose crucial parts of your brain you can think just as much as an ant (people in uncurable coma)

from our ape-like ancestors, (because you said we evolved from monkeys you obviously dont know what the evolution theory actually is)and then from the first organism that probably spawned out of several proteins and other substances

30,000 men beating 200,000 men is NOT a miracle, think of the battle of thermopalea where 300 spartans stopped tenthousands of persian for weeks until they were betrayed, or the battle of azincourt where a small group of british longbowmen massacred the french knights.

please even read what it is before talking nonsence, evoluiton happend on earth, the formation of stars and planets is another thing it is largely in de big bang theory about the creation of the universe and the clustering of interstellar gasses under the force of gravity to form stars  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Evolution

the first thing of progress was probably a signularity of infinite mass and density, because of the infinite density time stops so there is no speaking of a point before then.

Also you solution is god made the first thing, then what created god?

yes im so evil I do so horrible things like eating pork, relieving people who have never more in life then suffering and of course becoming a docter to cure hundrerds of people, your right I should get a bomb and blow myself up so I go to heaven.

You keep trying to confine God to the universe when he is much more. No one created God, god existed first, he has allways been and will allways be. He is the Alpha nad the Omega.

dude this theory sucks and ther is monkies as that sovit man said biolgy and chmest have reletions but all biolgy chmest .

and so this can make humans deffernet from each time to anther but cant make the universe

1) my problem that i am not talking you face to face i let you see the holy koran THE ETRNAL MERECAL FOR MUSLIMS its mereclae in language and history and and rules AND ITS MADE THAT NO BODY CAN CHANGE A LETTER IN IT AND IF YOU CHANGE IT ON LIKE A PAPER YOU WONT BE ABLE TO PUBLI*beep* .

2)TIME IS THE FORTH MEASURE  and its every wher if ther must be gravity it must be A BIG THINK TO PULL DOWN . (no scence)

3)what happened after life you think ???  or just people forgot our memories and so.

4)GOD dated the universe cuz he created it .

5)your doughs are wrong cuz i told you about man with chmpazi look and i wished you bet .

6)if its not about universe WHAT IN HELL YOUR WRITING LOOK AT TOPIC NAME . 

1. Why are we using numbers?
2. What is time to some one who is eternal? time is a measurement of the flow of the universe.
3. I like the big bang theory.
4. evolution rocks.
5. Eternal life FTW
6. I rock
7. is a lucky number.

0)i put caps lock to tell you important things .

1) that book is the first and main islam rule putting .

2) we use time meure most in space put it can be used anywher .

3) as you go hell i go paradise if your belefis not  changed .not beleiving in things doesnt mean its not ther .

4) no GOD date it tell me how can it be dated that no mistake in it that is a work of not normal thing which is god .

5) i opened that site .

6) i will run with you if what your saying right so people can control their isider boddies and if that right tell me how many cell is their in your body .

1) still doesnt chances anything about its value and wherever it is right, when all people said the earth was flat it wasnt flat either

2) time is in fact ALWAYS linked to space no space no time

3) you are reversing it because you believe in it doesnt mean it there, especially because there is no prove for its existence. According to your own logics you should take into account infinite possibilities about gods and heavens

god and heaven excuse me even if ther is no space ther is time i know ther would be no sun to rise to make a new day but the seconds goes so its time

i will contiue when your back

1+2=42? Sorry it's 3, your proven wrong.