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Religious Extremist terror
11:26:53 Aug 13th 07 - Mr. Breadlord:

all the terrorisst that where directly responsible for 9/11 died on inpact..

Its the same as iraq revolts.. every sodier in iraq dies..
iraq nukes all of US becouse bush started the war...

and doesnt even scrach bush /or chaney or whoever


11:27:22 Aug 13th 07 - Mr. Breadlord:

whats the diffrence?


11:57:44 Aug 13th 07 - Mr. Breadlord:

23:38:36 Aug 13th 07 - Sir Bruto Cikayson:

Allow me to reiterate, Alexander, bragging about how well you did ingame has nothing to do with how well you're handling a debate (except bump you down a few pegs).

I'm not exactly sure what you mean, Breadlord.  Do you mean what's the point between the killings?


11:58:33 Aug 14th 07 - Mr. Breadlord:

lol dint really read they post well.
but about jugeing Prince of darkness adn him leaveing :D


03:59:24 Aug 17th 07 - Mr. Anatoliy Grushkov:

Damn mates, the US was feeding wepons to the "terrorists" since 1978 when USSR was in Afghanistan.  Anyone who doesn't know that Bin Laden was not on FBI payroll is a fool.  Some other ppl who were on US FBI payroll who you might know are:

 

Manuel Noriega, ruthless nicoraguan dictator

 

Saddam Hussein, ex-dictator of Iraq

 

Fugulencio Batista, ex dictator of Cuba

 

Yep, that's the US for you; great supporters of the free-world


05:37:25 Aug 17th 07 - Sir Bruto Cikayson:

Free world meant non-Soviet, basically.  That was about it.


09:56:50 Aug 17th 07 - Mr. Breadlord:

FBI lol u mean CIA ;P


23:15:04 Aug 18th 07 - Mr. Abu Yusef:

sadam , was ordered to attack iran , because ,

when the gulf countries didn't agree to sell petrol to america cuz of the war in palestine ,

america ordered sadam to attack iran , and so he needed alot of money , and so the petrol barrowl was 7$ cost , cuz iran and iraq wanted to sell in low prices cuz of the war ,

at the end ,

2 million man died from the war ,

muslims first war

america used the petrol ,

iraq and iran was broke , -200 billion $ , and no NO body won , cuz america made it balance ,

 

fuke america , back it to the red indians , now


07:04:07 Aug 19th 07 - Sir Bruto Cikayson:

Well as long as we're giving back strong, established countries back to its original inhabitants, why not give the world back to the cavemen?  After all, they were here first...


13:51:34 Aug 19th 07 - Mr. Justanius Fontainius:

lol y not


14:10:48 Aug 19th 07 - Mr. Ghouma:

Its not about giving land back, every human being should be treated equally and not special because of their ancestors. But there is a lack of recognition of how bad the extermination of the indians was.


14:34:16 Aug 19th 07 - Mr. Anatoliy Grushkov:

The extermination of the indians was a genocide, not unlike that of the nazis, but the propaganda machines will tell you otherwise. 

 

Imagine if America let the indians be.  It would not have a quarter of the land it has today.  The indians had to go and make way for the new people.  It's called darwinism, look it up.  The fact is that bad guys win, good guys loose, and as always, america prevails.


14:36:46 Aug 19th 07 - Mr. Goldmeister:

The way I see it is they fought a war and they lost, it happens all the time, countries get invaded, hey if we wanna think like that then why not give Germany back to France, China back to the Mongols and Italy back to the Austrians! But the extermination of races if wrong... oh so wrong.


17:52:54 Aug 19th 07 - Mr. Justanius Fontainius:

but life is life so stop complaining


17:55:17 Aug 19th 07 - Mr. Orly:

"The fact is that bad guys win, good guys loose, and as always, america prevails."

You've been watching to much V for Vendetta my son and not even understanding what message it sends.


17:58:16 Aug 19th 07 - Mr. Ghouma:

Yo Anatloliy do you have msn?

I dont belive in good and evil, and social darwinism is retarded to use, being dogmatic is even more retarded.

Just, thats just a phrase, add someting or gtfo.


17:59:21 Aug 19th 07 - Mr. Justanius Fontainius:

w+f good and evil is this guy serious


22:09:35 Aug 19th 07 - Sir Bruto Cikayson:

Goldmeister has a point.  Not all the indians were peaceful people who sat around smoking peace pipes and riding around on buffaloes.  American colonists committed atrocities, as did many indian tribes.  As to who was morally superior or who fought braver or more honorably or whatnot is a very fuzzy line.  Good, evil, it's all subjective.

As for genocide against indians, it had been happening shortly after Columbus landed on the new world, not unique to US-Americans.  Ghouma, many Americans are aware of the crimes of their ancestors against the indians.  History books speak about it, even elementary school textbooks will tell about the wrongs of many of the Americans and the use of propoganda then and now.

After all, I imagine a good majority of us here today owe much of our cvilization and culture to the atrocities of the Romans and Greeks against the "barbarian" states.


22:19:38 Aug 19th 07 - Mr. Orly:

Oh? And here I thought the indians were defending THEIR land. I would think people aren't very welcoming of people how steal their land.


22:31:04 Aug 19th 07 - Mr. Ghouma:

Americans are always appologetic when talking about the genocide of indians, so are the british, french, spani*beep*alians of their genocides. The only nation who has taken real respnonsibility for their genocides is Germany. Talking about indians being brutal is irrelevant since the eurpoeans shouldnt have been there.

Please go on further with the rome thing.


22:32:00 Aug 19th 07 - Mr. Kassius Xxi:

well britiain DID give back all of the empire as well


22:45:15 Aug 19th 07 - Mr. Breadlord:

lol give back :P

and im shure the queeen giveing power to democratie and the commen people was a gift aswell. it had nothing to do with the fact that in france they buchered the entire royal fammily and it was almost happening there aswel...


15:21:54 Aug 20th 07 - Mr. Dragonboy:

im srprised this topic hasnt been locked yknow


18:52:15 Aug 20th 07 - Mr. Millenium:

it is true though that america only invaded iraq for the oil...


19:03:47 Aug 20th 07 - Mr. Kassius Xxi:

probably


20:54:47 Aug 22nd 07 - Mr. Arthion:

How could we have invaded for the oil when we haven't taken any
If you need proof we didn't look at gas prices.


21:01:56 Aug 22nd 07 - Mr. Dreadii:

yes right you as an american dont get *beep*
but the starters/cousers of the war (blind murderers) do it in the name of america.

the oil money goes to some slective american companies. but the big money here is the money the goverment spends in addition to  pay for the war. wich goes to a few weapon manufaturing companies.

and all these companies are owned by a select people who make billions of dollers at the cost of lives and also from you at the cost of you haveing a *beep*ty life. :D


00:49:05 Aug 23rd 07 - Mr. Lassie:

You say you want a revolution?


05:46:22 Aug 23rd 07 - Sir Hephaestus:

"Americans are always appologetic when talking about the genocide of indians, so are the british, french, spani*beep*alians of their genocides. The only nation who has taken real respnonsibility for their genocides is Germany."

After losing WWII, that is.  One the whole genocide was publicized.

That is correct, Orly, but it doesn't change the fact that the indians did commit atrocitis as well as the settlers.

Ghouma, when the Romans went to conquer distant lands, they brought with them technology and culture.  Basically, Romanizing the wold.  But it worked the other way around too, armies who conquered foreigner brought back technology from the conquered people.  Think of aqueducts and highways, sewers, etc.  All Roman.  And we use them every day.

The same happened with the Crusades.  A bunch of knights went over to the holy lands, saw the "heathen" architecture, science, and medicine, and brought them home to Europe.

Was war the only way this could have happened?  No, but it was a large part.


06:41:13 Aug 23rd 07 - Mr. Alexander The Great:

as a citizen in palestine , i agree ,

not a large part , muslims was in andalus , spain now ,

romans didn't give that culutuer , they only wanted to slave your grands , ask the people who gurded the hydrians wall , they were brought from all around the empire ,

romans was ment to take all that so later they be chrtion , and then islam take the holy lands from them ,

 

the bunsh of knights saw the soup , and they learnt how to take showers ,

it was not a culture , it's was a relegion order , now all the world live as islam order , world didn't knew that before ,


06:46:34 Aug 23rd 07 - Mr. Prince of Darkness:

i am not sayin a word ,

but alex said the best ,

it's true a style of life .

                         see you next week !!!

 


10:48:26 Aug 23rd 07 - Mr. Dreadii:

im not saying a revolution just make the consequenses for them worse then the gain.(wich would prevent them form doing it)


15:05:17 Aug 23rd 07 - Mr. Lassie:

Just the fact that you even bother to mention the indian massacres to make the indian genocide seem less brutal is appologetic. There was no large massacres of settlers, why bother to take it up?

Rome was never here and we still got sewers etc, the Roman empire was a plague on normal people. I dont really see how going on a rampage killing loads of people in the middle east is justified by getting some technology back home.



00:58:51 Aug 25th 07 - Sir Hephaestus:

There were massacers of settlers.  That fact doesn't change the brutality of anything.

And Lassie, where do you live?  Rome needed to conquer its neighbors to gain power.  Not influence.  The Roman idea continued long after the empire vanished.

And never once have I said getting technology made anything justified.  I am mentioning it merely as a side effect of war.

@Alex, I cannot fully understand your post.  No colony became completely Romn in culture, but it is diffcult to claim the colonies never retained any of its influence.


22:44:01 Aug 25th 07 - Mr. Lassie:

Sure there were occatiosn when indians killed a few settlers, I dont see why we even talk about that though. The europeans had no buisness comming there and the indians had every right to try and throw them out.

In sweden, Rome was a decadent cesspool whos only pourpus was to benefit the rich and powerfull aristocracy.


23:37:19 Aug 25th 07 - Mr. Barny:

Rome was never here and we still got sewers etc, the Roman empire was a plague on normal people. I dont really see how going on a rampage killing loads of people in the middle east is justified by getting some technology back home.


Lassie, everyone knows sewage was a roman invention, just because Romans weren't in you country doesn't mean that you didn't get the idea of sewers from them.

And did you just say that Romans killed tons of people in the Middle East? Romans just tried to secure trades routes along the Eastern Mediterranean, not massacre people. Maybe you are thinking of the Crusades?


Also, all countries had native inhabitants. The fact is, in most regions of the world, the native inhabitants were of killed off, or the dominant people of a region weren't the natives.

The only reason people hear so much about the Indian genocide was because it happened during recent/recorded history, compared to other events in the far past it doesn't seem like such an atrocity.

Indian tribes were told/forced to move to reservations so that America could expand, and the the tribes that refused to move got killed. I am not saying that it made it ok, but they did have fair warning.

America would be a very different county today if there was no Indian war.


23:44:19 Aug 25th 07 - Mr. Barny:

Oh, and while we are talking about the Indian Wars as opposed to Religious Extremist Terror, why don't we talk about the Spanish and their genocide of some South American civilizations?


11:07:57 Aug 26th 07 - Mr. Lassie:

Take it easy, most of the technical inventions Rome got ideas for or directly from the Etruscans. We didnt have sewers here until maybe 19th century when people begun moving into towns on a larger scale and there became a direct need for it. The romans didnt come up with much stuff themself, they took from others.

I didnt say *beep* about romans killing middle easterns. Securing traderoutes is not something justiying anything on the oher hand.

Sure all coutries had and have natives, im one of them. So are most europeans, africans and asians.

The only reason people dont care more about the worst genocide in human history is that there are so many excuses about it, and racism of course.

Again, why even take up stuff like they had a "fair warning" you take up alot of that kinda *beep*, your attitude is very apologetic.

Im not really into good / bad discussions, but since Americans always lable their past as a shining beacon of glourious light im all up for it.


12:40:11 Aug 26th 07 - Mr. Dreadii:

i really think the roman were pretty brutal (theres just not much talk about it)

im shure if jesus dint live around that era they would be shown as sacret people or something...

WHen romans take a city they always sack it and kill wahtever they find thats a fact..


13:03:11 Aug 26th 07 - Mr. Alexander The Great:

i like the roman battling , i mean woha , the hit the spears , fourm tostudo , and then full attack , very orgnized ,

romans are just like any great power , like great britian ,

alot of countries become great and then be useless and disapper , then vanish , like it never been great ,

not like islam , even when we are weak , the world fear to do somthin , always carefull when they do the devils plans ,

but wait a minute ............

and when europe killed indeans , they made america ,

well when arabs came muslims , and then took like palestine , palestine is now a part of arabs and muslims , here is the deffernce , you killed to make america , you killed a whole nation , but WE made it our land ,

well , i am really happy cuz i am a muslim , i mean thank you god ,

about thanking.............

on the judment day , all the angels come sarounding the place wher people will be judged , well before , ( ther are angels always say , thank god , thank god etc , from the start of the god , ) they come to god , and say :

sorry god , we didn't thank you enough !!!!!

i am that thankfull now ....... :D


13:19:54 Aug 26th 07 - Mr. Mushashi:

this is getting pretty ridiculous ... do you not see how stupid this logic is? or you just don't care, as long as it suits you?

and get your facts right, that would be the least you can do .


14:46:26 Aug 26th 07 - Mr. Alexander The Great:

if you read all what prince said before , he gave facts and facts , he didn't leave for dreams a chance , i said facts on the first , and then said how i am thankfull , call it's stupid 100 time , i don't care , cuz i know ther is 7000 year in hell waiting you just cuz of this .

i bet your not happy in your life


14:47:52 Aug 26th 07 - Mr. Dreadii:

well ther is some logic unless he means founding of US. :D
when u kill everyone it doesnt matter. but when you dont it does in the way that.

Hes talking about the diffrence between conquest and colloniazation..

you can take a land and its people for instance england takeing parts of china. long ago..
to do that tehy kill losts of people and do bad things and in the end when they win the people are in a worse situation then during the war.

if you take a piece of land and call it your own. after the war that place is likely to be more aided and helped after the war. (if it becomes part of your country after the war)


14:50:11 Aug 26th 07 - Mr. Prince of Darkness:

my friend , leave them alone , i mean they just don'y know what to answer .

aren't they grown up people up 18 and know how to act .

look at me , i don't need now to answer each of them , and when they come to a locked door , they just open anther subject ,


14:52:25 Aug 26th 07 - Mr. Alexander The Great:

dreadii , canan were arabs , it's our lands before your odin is born ,

and prince , the prophet said : " tell people about me even with one verse " .

mohamad is always truly say


14:53:43 Aug 26th 07 - Mr. Prince of Darkness:

dreadii , islam made a brotherhood between muslims stronger than a brother hood between your brother .

and yea we were giants , hehe xD

but we said more than one verse !!!


14:54:49 Aug 26th 07 - Mr. Alexander The Great:

yea i know , but ther is a man who is about to become a muslim in this game , he need a little arabic , this is so sababababababa,


14:57:56 Aug 26th 07 - Mr. Lassie:

Prine and Alexander, gtfo.


15:00:14 Aug 26th 07 - Mr. Alexander The Great:

bye prince of faithfulls


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