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Dorian Empire Dishonorable???
03:00:25 Feb 13th 09 - Sir Bane:

 

Sir Evans of Sparta [DE] (2/11/2009 1:59:59 PM)  
Sir Bane,
I ask your intentions and plan or action seens you of placement in the middle of our kingdom.
We wish to off you an NAP, so that we do not need to fight.
You (2/11/2009 6:23:35 PM)
Sir Evans of Sparta,
Please allow me to discuss with my ruleing counsel about what our best corse of action would be concerning this matter and I will contact you with our decision within 24 ticks.

Respectfuly, Sir Bane 

Sir Jadbalja

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2/12/2009 8:59:50 AM
I guess they decided against a NAP as soon as they got their armies to my cities.
  • 03:00:45: Peace Cows lead by Sir Santa of Macedon attacked and took over Never Say Die. Our peasants managed to escape with all the resources to War Machine. We lost 0 Gaia, 0 Hammerthrowers, 0 Ogres, 0 Shamans, 0 Nazguls and 0 peasants in the battle.
  • 03:00:45: Our Jadbalja lifeguards failed to defend Never Say Die. Peace Cows lead by Sir Santa of Macedon attacked and took over Never Say Die. We lost 50 Gaia, 0 Hammerthrowers, 100 Ogres, 200 Shamans, 14 Nazguls and 0 peasants in the battle and 0 of our soldiers got injured.
  • 03:00:45: All troops in Jadbalja lifeguards have died!
  • 03:34:53: Spejder IV lead by Mr. Hephaistos From Lemnos attacked and took over Paranoid. Our peasants managed to escape with all the resources to War Machine. We lost 0 Gaia, 0 Hammerthrowers, 0 Ogres, 0 Shamans, 0 Nazguls and 0 peasants in the battle.


You (2/12/2009 2:09:26 AM)
I this the way you conduct a NAP request? Should I take this as a sneak attack or a misguided member of your kingdom?

Peace Cows owned by Sir Santa of Macedon[DE] are preparing an attack on Never Say Die

Jadbalja
War Pigs
Sir Evans of Sparta [DE] (2/12/2009 2:59:16 AM) GOOD BAD
ill talk to him
Sir Evans of Sparta [DE] (2/12/2009 3:09:08 AM) GOOD BAD
im afraid we must reconsider, santa is my vice so not misguided... testing the water before the NAP as led us to beleive we have changed our mind
You (2/12/2009 3:15:25 AM)
That's cool, just shows the true caliber of player you are.
Sir Evans of Sparta [DE] (2/12/2009 3:27:52 AM) GOOD BAD
why cus we attacked when no NAP was set, no just changed our mind.
you knew we surrounded you, best bet woulda been to jump at our offer

 

7 and a half ticks after I replyed that we would have an answer in 24 ticks they started attacking. Now in our KD when we are in talks for a Nap we don't attack them and they could have at least messaged and said that they no longer wanted a Nap before attacking us.

This is just another example of how the many KD's of this game have fallen into a state on no honor and no respect what so ever. I can see now why Death Proof  quit.

Epic falure, DE. Cosmic shame. 


03:24:08 Feb 13th 09 - Demonslayer John Berkeley:

There was no NAP...you were only "talking."  This has happened before with other KDs...


03:29:53 Feb 13th 09 - Mr. Fordius:

Well I know what he means.
and this can be something like a screw up too.

when you are in someone else his core and nap negociations are going on there is sort of ceasefire :P but not everyone holds to such things.

so one way its the fault of the defender but other way its not nice what DE did.
well everyone would have his own toughts on this :P


04:33:11 Feb 13th 09 - Sir Moroten:

Dude get a ticket and get in line...Evans is just dishonorable....He might be a knight but doesnt act like one .....If the leader is in a talk with someone else of a Nap he must have posted it in the Council Forums...So the vices know that they are in a talk of A nap not a plan of War but in the forme of a Nap.


04:36:12 Feb 13th 09 - Mr. Nate River:

you should merge with us... lol
were against DE.

one thing.. id like to warn you about Pigger.. hes a snake..
yours was his 4th KD in this era..


04:36:41 Feb 13th 09 - Demonslayer John Berkeley:

Directed at Moroten - Yes...listen to the person who attacks allied KDs, talks trash, and cannot back up a word of what he says.  He tries to join stronger KDs so he can brag.  Please speak more of your "intelligence" for us to listen to.


06:38:13 Feb 13th 09 - Sir Pubeguin The Hairy:

please charley drop out. you dont know anything about the game so go play with dolls...

Yes Evans shown now that hes truly dishonourable .


07:16:23 Feb 13th 09 - Sir Santa of Macedon:

Could everybody not actually INVOLVED shut up? :)

You are also making it seem like the talks were still in progress when I attacked, but if you'd look at the time of Evans message, you would say that is several hours BEFORE my initial attack, 6 hours if not mistaken.

So don't say this:
Now in our KD when we are in talks for a Nap we don't attack them and they could have at least messaged and said that they no longer wanted a Nap before attacking us.

As I just said, a message had been send before the attack. Now look at what you said; they could have at least messaged and said that they no longer wanted a Nap before attacking us.

I believe thats what happened...

Also, if you are now thinking about saying that you thought there would be peace and therefor barely had any troops then you simply are dumb. When your not even 5% of a kingdom and right in their core, it is hopeful at best to get a nap. Never count on it because you don't have anything much to offer them, while they offer the gift of life.

No need to get any further into this, it'll only cause more fueds between players. This game has enough of those already.


07:38:16 Feb 13th 09 - Mr. Hephaistos From Lemnos:

I'm not the leadership of DE, so I didn't knew about any possible deal.

But anyway - in the position WP had, they didn't have to discuss anything.

Only an instant YES counts here - else........

Who would let them have 24 hours to "discuss" other possibilities such as building up defences while discussing an alliance with some other kingdom - in this case it could have been a MAP with MAD or DMC.... or both???


09:51:25 Feb 13th 09 - Sir Kathandarion of Imperius:

Sir Evans of Sparta [DE] (2/12/2009 3:09:08 AM) GOOD BAD
im afraid we must reconsider, santa is my vice so not misguided... testing the water before the NAP as led us to beleive we have changed our mind

Santa thats a lie.

your first two attacks were 5 minutes before the message got sent.

  • 03:00:45: Peace Cows lead by Sir Santa of Macedon attacked and took over Never Say Die. Our peasants managed to escape with all the resources to War Machine. We lost 0 Gaia, 0 Hammerthrowers, 0 Ogres, 0 Shamans, 0 Nazguls and 0 peasants in the battle.
  • 03:00:45: Our Jadbalja lifeguards failed to defend Never Say Die. Peace Cows lead by Sir Santa of Macedon attacked and took over Never Say Die. We lost 50 Gaia, 0 Hammerthrowers, 100 Ogres, 200 Shamans, 14 Nazguls and 0 peasants in the battle and 0 of our soldiers got injured.
so that basically eradicated Santa's arguement. even though im not involved i just found that quite humourus.


10:26:52 Feb 13th 09 - Duke Slade:

Demonslayer John Berkeley

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2/13/2009 5:24:08 AMThere was no NAP...you were only "talking."  This has happened before with other KDs...

Yes but they offered the Nap.. So you would think he would not attack until they have replied... but in this case Evans just used it because he was either worried he would die or he just likes to piss people off


16:18:09 Feb 13th 09 - Mr. Nate River:

dirty tactics


16:47:24 Feb 13th 09 - Sir Evans of Sparta:

nate shut up. not your arguement. Call me dishonourable i dont care anymore, people who have played on my side know im not and every era i get argued with and called dishonourable. This era i cant be bothered. we offered something we expected to be taken straight away, being surrounded by the strongest at the time kingdom on that map generally means accept or get taken out.

We didnt have time to wait as the three ppl pushing in on us know that we are struggling a lil so we need to take everything we can.

Not argueing , dont care to be honest


20:01:41 Feb 13th 09 - Dark Lord Finwe:

Call me dishonourable i dont care anymore, people who have played on my side know im not and every era i get argued with and called dishonourable <--- that usually means something. if lots of people call you dishonourable then your clearly doing something they feel is dishonourable. makes you wonder why its only a handful of people called dishonourable every era. peoples views differ


20:22:27 Feb 13th 09 - Mr. Ratchet:

errr guys this is a war game soooo you would expect some fighting to happen and lets face it if you spawn in some ones core then its ither NAP from the go or you should expect a attack (just my 2 cents)


07:51:07 Feb 14th 09 - Mr. Hilario:

Attacking a kingdom you just offered friendly terms earlier is something ewwww.
If the word dishonorable is not appropriate, what can we call it?

As a vice, our leader must act to be the most honorable and true, NAP discussion is difficult to finalize if the leaders or the ones involved cannot be online at the same time.

Sir Evans of Sparta [DE] (2/12/2009 3:27:52 AM) GOOD BAD
why cus we attacked when no NAP was set, no just changed our mind.
you knew we surrounded you, best bet woulda been to jump at our offer


your NAP offer is a doom or gloom offer... that's what they (warpigs) missed.


11:38:29 Feb 14th 09 - Dark Lord Finwe:

omg the impossible has happend! Hilario spoke some words i agree with *runs off to take cover from the rapture*


12:23:51 Feb 14th 09 - Mr. Ryan The Archion:

LOL!

Well, even in their ranks agree that their leaders are dishonorable. I managed to talk to some of them. ;)


13:10:34 Feb 14th 09 - Sir Santa of Macedon:

So Ryan, tell me if I got this straight. Some of our members have gone around our back telling how they found us dishonourable. Well, if thats their opinion, thats fine. But they should have the guts and honour to say it to us, rather then go around our backs. So those you are referring to are currently dishouring themselves by their cowardice. But hey, thats just my dishonourable opinion ;)


13:43:20 Feb 14th 09 - Mr. Ryan The Archion:

Well, I just managed to talk to them in other games. We just talk about it a bit and they didn't meant it.


13:45:20 Feb 14th 09 - Mr. Ignis:

DE is not dishonourable they are a good kingdom


14:25:45 Feb 14th 09 - Mr. Ryan The Archion:

Uhm, why does you eat up Calibus?


14:57:43 Feb 14th 09 - Sir Santa of Macedon:

If they didn't mean it, they shouldn't have said it ;)

And Ryan, Calibus has shown to not live up to our standards. Thats not the problem, he could've been taught. But he is also ignorant of the forums and everyhting happening around him. Evans posted a post directed at him in the kdforum to see if he would respons as a last "test". He never responded.


14:59:52 Feb 14th 09 - Mr. Ryan The Archion:

I see. I'm correct about your standards.


15:15:27 Feb 14th 09 - Mr. Seloc of Troy:

Yes DE standards are very high, and will be kept that way.


16:14:31 Feb 14th 09 - Mr. Ryan The Archion:

But with leaderships low! :(


17:24:51 Feb 14th 09 - Mr. Dramborleg of Troezen:

and that is based on what?


12:01:36 Feb 15th 09 - Sir Santa of Macedon:

Ryan, opinions differ and therefor some will think were doing a better job than others will. But you can't judge something you haven't ever tried out in any way. So don't be a hypocrite and judge us on what others think. You don't see us doing it.


12:22:42 Feb 15th 09 - Sir Kathandarion of Imperius:

Sir Evans of Sparta [DE] (2/12/2009 3:09:08 AM) GOOD BAD
im afraid we must reconsider, santa is my vice so not misguided... testing the water before the NAP as led us to beleive we have changed our mind

Santa thats a lie.

your first two attacks were 5 minutes before the message got sent.

  • 03:00:45: Peace Cows lead by Sir Santa of Macedon attacked and took over Never Say Die. Our peasants managed to escape with all the resources to War Machine. We lost 0 Gaia, 0 Hammerthrowers, 0 Ogres, 0 Shamans, 0 Nazguls and 0 peasants in the battle.
  • 03:00:45: Our Jadbalja lifeguards failed to defend Never Say Die. Peace Cows lead by Sir Santa of Macedon attacked and took over Never Say Die. We lost 50 Gaia, 0 Hammerthrowers, 100 Ogres, 200 Shamans, 14 Nazguls and 0 peasants in the battle and 0 of our soldiers got injured.
so that basically eradicated Santa's arguement. even though im not involved i just found that quite humourus.

Santa why havent you commented on this. Your statement to defend yourself earlier was that you attacked after the message.


12:44:26 Feb 15th 09 - Mr. Ryan The Archion:

@Dramborleg base on what? well, you have this high standards for members so it's easier for your leaders to command. So that's a weak leadership for me. A great leader is someone that can organize his KD even his members are lacking experience and inactive. Get my point? If you don't, GET BACK TO SCHOOL!



14:47:45 Feb 15th 09 - Sir Evans of Sparta:

Ryan, why would i want to lead inactives... no point they dont help.. you need no skill to lead an inactive anyway cus they dont do anything.
As for those lacking experience, we have three of those, one who never played before this era... theyre doing better than a lot of other nubs ive seen. So perhaps not eh?
the only people i get rid of are those that either ....dont communicate or farm. Or worse those that communicate in a bad way, ignore all advice even tho it would help them improve and always think theyre right...

So no i dont just get rid of those that cant play i help them, its the ones that cant play and refuse help i get rid of :P

Anyhow, I dont see you leading a kingdom ?

 

Ps. Me and Dram are both in university, so dont tell us to go back to school...
Pps. Your in a 13 man kingdom with 6 leaders... and you say we have bad leadership...half your KD is leadership...


15:16:16 Feb 15th 09 - Mr. Hilario:

They became Vices because they are long time members of MAD. Due to their loyalty, their opinions and views for kingdom matter. Anyway, im off the topic, sorry. ;)


15:18:39 Feb 15th 09 - Mr. Dramborleg of Troezen:

@ Rayn. That is what I call a backward argument. You take for granted that all the members do live up to the high standards. Most do, but some need to learn a few things. Those who are lost cases are cut lose. =)

Why btw are you so picky?  Fighting us? or just trying to make us feel bad? and please dont tell me to go back to school because it makes you sound so childish.


15:27:14 Feb 15th 09 - Sir Santa of Macedon:

Isn't it nice to see how this got started by War Pigs and after 30 posts has already become Ryan vs DE... :P

@ Kathandarion: In my very first post in this topic made clear that I would like everybody not actually involved in this to keep quiet. Now it is your own choice to comply with my wishes or not, but I do simply refuse to start an arguement with somebody who has nothing to do with us. Unlike Ryan, who is one of our better enemies and thus has a strong opinion about us, you can not have formed a decent opinion. Therefor I will not start an arguement here with you for it will only lead to tensions among players who could very well become friends in the future. So if you still require to have an arguement with me, PM me and perhaps I will give you the answers you require.


15:35:57 Feb 15th 09 - Sir Santa of Macedon:

Hilario, a (co)leader should not be chosen for his loyalty or the time he has spent with the group. No, it should be his skill and character that decides his ranking and status. For example: Dramborleg has fought by my side for as long as I can remember. And his character is simply great, one of the best you'll find in this game and highly underappreciated by the public at large. However, I feel that making him a viceroy would not change anything and therefor he is still an, although highly appreciated, ordinary member.
Considering we are still alive and thriving against more than 200% of our own strength, I think we could say that were doing more than an ok-job so far ;)


15:53:43 Feb 15th 09 - Mr. Hilario:

Nahh. Every kingdom is different just like what you said opinions/views differ. Atleast here in our kingdom, we never require the skills required to last Fantasia wars for our members and or vices. Our kingdom goals when MAD started ch@nged as era passes. Now, we are just long time friends who just enjoy the game and have fun. Reaching the top and keeping to be in the top, is just secondary. :)

---on topic..
Ryan vs. DE... I'll officiate... :)


16:04:49 Feb 15th 09 - Sir Santa of Macedon:

I like you :)


16:42:23 Feb 15th 09 - Mr. Seloc of Troy:

Sorry Santa I hate to tell you but valentines day was yesterday :P


17:01:44 Feb 15th 09 - Sir Santa of Macedon:

I was pre-occupied yesterday so I need to make up today with the VU population.

Seloc, did I tell you how good you look? :)


17:43:40 Feb 15th 09 - Mr. Dramborleg of Troezen:

and that are my kd mates......

Ehm, any kd i can join? =P


17:46:36 Feb 15th 09 - Mr. Zyrike:

on topic: he probably should have given you a 1 to 2 tick warning, but its war and you still should have been rdy for a attack.

off topic: oh oh join my kd!!!!!!!!!!!!!


17:53:02 Feb 15th 09 - Sir Santa of Macedon:

Owww Zyrike, did someone ever tell you you've got beautiful eyes? :)


17:57:10 Feb 15th 09 - Mr. Zyrike:

um... notice the MR... and thank you!


17:59:34 Feb 15th 09 - Sir Santa of Macedon:

It gets lonely on the North Pole ;)


18:19:53 Feb 15th 09 - Mr. Nate River:

just go and rub Rudolph... :)


19:58:55 Feb 15th 09 - Mr. Dramborleg of Troezen:

Not that you're not nice santa but rudolph is a good idea =P


20:22:36 Feb 15th 09 - Mr. Ryan The Archion:

Therefor I will not start an arguement here with you for it will only lead to tensions among players who could very well become friends in the future.

LOL! It happened many times to me. My archenemy being my friend. ^^


20:25:54 Feb 15th 09 - Mr. Zyrike:

to the above statement: I usually annoy my friends until they become my archenemy

to santa: its a wonder i haven't left vu yet, no thanks to you :P


01:31:47 Feb 16th 09 - Sir Momo Wolfe:

hey this reminds me of the devastators!exact same situation, we were negotiating a NAP, and the vice crushed me while me and the leader were negotiating!


01:42:41 Feb 16th 09 - Mr. Lord of Lies:

DE has always been very honorable in my book.


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