Forums / In game politics / MAD multying

So, once again we're faced with MAD being deleted for multying during eras. This must be what, the 5th + time now, and by no means is this any exaggeration: MAD are widely considered to, at least at the top leadership branch of their kingdom, to be heavily involved in multying and their activity patterns always matched this. Hell, we've even seen people leave their kingdom over time in disgust at their multying antics and openly dissent against MADs multying ethics. This isn't to say all of MAD multi, the lower members are probably obvlivious to this, but it's always the repeated higher ups who are caught red handed.

Shouldn't a line be drawn though? And by that, I mean a complete ban imposed by ZeTa? It doesn't come as a surprise to anybody to find MAD in the multi deletion logs each era, and I just logged in the game to see masses of cities gone from the map. When I noticed they were MAD cities, I knew what it had to be. A quick look up on the deletion list, and it's the usual suspects: MAD, all around.

Strawberry	berry	(Too many accounts)
Black Ice	black	(Too many accounts)
Hilario	larry	(Too many accounts)
Dark	daffodiL28	(Too many accounts)

huh wow um might i recal a 200k cata army from a certian member of a red bannered KD which was figured out that certian perosn would have needed 5 mil income for quiet a while (impposible times actually) to achieve such a goal. Plus that person is also a mage who spent a lot on magic science and MUs for his amgic town and MTs and such and yet still came out with an army that the only possible way it could have been created was through some form of feeding or something like that

plus MAD hasnt really done mcuh to impede your attacks and you know that its been Phi thats been holding you off all era. do i sense that LGC is getting weaker?

and then last of all GROW UP! YOU PEOPLE CANT NOT WIN A WAR WITHOUT THROWING CRAP AT PEOPLE! I AM SICK OF IT!

• Binh had been stging. He's human. I've got excerpts from my news showing this.
• You aren't explaining how MAD had one guy with near enough 500k catas, over double the amount Binh had, and you're accusing Binh of being fed.
• Had MAD not been multying with these extra accounts, they would of had less troops produced (both from feeding and from the extra accounts), meaning we would of easily stomped you both.

Well Gladiator, I don't think anybody would neccessarily suggest to ban the KD. But when people multi half a dozen times or more, in half a dozen or more rounds -- effectively interfering in the play and hampering anothers growth before being deleted -- shouldn't they risk a total ban at some point?

Obviously these guys aren't learning if we repeatedly see them on the deletion list for multying, era in, era out. The punishment isn't strong enough, which is why they repeatedly do it. So what will stop them multying for good?

i did my math moe and if my calculations and estamites are true with the price of all his MUs outside of fighting armies and MTs and everything costing bihn 250 mil all era long (never been amge but i thought that seemed like an accurate price correct me nicely if im wrong pelase) he would have needed to have 5 mil income 435 ticks into the era which i highly doubt is possible... and i didnt count the cost of MUs for his armies i didnt take into consideration army upkeep or any other expenses besides my calculations on his army price increase (which came out to be 10k per cata or so if my calculations are accurat and the forumlas work the same for all races) i could be dreadfully wrong because i dont know the formulas and everyhting very well but that was waht i came out with which sounds nearly imposible

Had the MAD multies not been around this era, we would of stomped the remainder of MAD, and PHI quite easily.

lol. This is a tiny bit of exaggeration yes? Phi is clearly the reason that you have been unable to win this battle... Lgc vs Phi blocker in the east, DB vs Phi blocker in the west. If either falls, its game over, but MAD haven't been more than a minor distraction (no offense to them of course).

Sigheart -> Killstone your being retarded, ever heard of STG? Also a LOT of players have stone bought from Sun. Killstone was referring to Binh not Sun. I understand Binh was also STG'ing although Sun buys 90%+ of my stone.

My account was deleted as my name states.

But I can swear on my life that I was not a multi. Me and my brother share a computer because we aren't super rich and have two.

My account was Arthion and my bros was Brinsbane. If you look at our styles of play it is completely different. plus I am a lot better. I was 6th on Zeta he was unranked. if I was a multi wouldn't they be a lot closer.

I was unfairly deleted and I can't believe the Admin would after I have e-mailed them countless times explaining that we were not multies, because we were trying to deal with temporally banning at the time.

Today is very interesting... first a 480k cata army from MAD got rof-ed to 40k .... then its owner's deletion with many others in the same kingdom......

The difference between black ice and binh is quite obvious. Binh did a lot more stg throughout the era and extremely actively stging for selectively a couple weeks. Black ice did a lot less stg, and almost none after the first few weeks. Black ice did not land drop, and we clearly could verify this with vision over a couple of his cities. Binh's 200k cata is very possible with legit strategy, he is a mage but obviously did not have as much magic power as sloth etc, which indicated that he was planning something else such as saving up a large sum for a huge cata training. If you do the math, the cost of 200k cata is quite reasonable at base price with armories. The cost of 480k however is completely out of the question without landdrop, which could only be explained by feeding, now confirmed by the multi deletion.

This certainly cannot be taken lightly. Nothing ruins the reputation of a kingdom more than the abuse of multiple accounts. The community as a whole must go against such actions that undermine the foundation of the game.

Zeta is the one to blame.  He allows multis to play and then deletes them when the era is ending.  He allows crosswalls to be formed. He allows riverjumping and wall jumping.

the point is, he can stop all of it.  But he wont.  It has been a problem for the past eras.  Every era there is a thread about multies and people jumping around.

Ridikuluz, Zeta has a life.  If he were to tend to his game 24/7 we'd all be paying a subscription fee.

I think there should be more multi sweeps (not one per era and just at the end, but perhaps weekly).  Or maybe a bit of coding that checks IP when a new account is formed.

Might, what happened to his city?  Did a Carnage member burn it?  (I don't think so, the 100k army that was inside of it is now exposed, if it were attacked then the army would have dissappeared.  And Carnagians wouldn't raze a nice city like that :p)

I'm not really confident that this handful of multis is what kept Legacy from winning all, but I know I'd hate to get stalemated due to multi activities.

lacewing, i did not asked zeta to be watch the game 24/7.  What im requesting is he does a multi sweep at the start of the era, at the middle of the era and before the era ends.  3 sweeps in an era is not too much to ask.  Fixing crosswalls, fixing riverjumping and river jumping does not require you to be online 24/7. 

Deleted AGAIN? jesus. Just take a hint...

Moe Lester wrote: "Had the MAD multies not been around this era, we would of stomped the remainder of MAD, and PHI quite easily."

Never have I read such whining, self-justifying bull. You brought all your senile Legacy armies--walking sticks and drool-pans included--to our Phi only blocker, and you fell asleep prepping us, and you were destroyed. Thrown back in defeat. You have not been heard from since. Now you whine to Zeta and beg favors of Carnage and spew propaganda on this forum once again. Pathetic. Really, utterly pathetic.

Uh not really...we have half our troops at DB. And if I recall PHI only bothered to step in once MAD collapsed, after that we held the east on our own. If we put all we had into LGC (like LGC is into PHI) we'd have wiped that merger out 100%. I don't think MAD had enough impact to say PHI would be dead otherwise.

Also I still say Binh's catas was a bit suspicious, partly because I doubt that about min cost troops as he always had a MT tower up which is 15k+ land on its own. If he land dropped at some point, maybe...but I didn't see that. And there was Sun and Vlad to compete against who are also very active.

The 550k cata was definately fed though that I will say. And pretty dumb to put only 140k MU into such a big army, lol.

TTBB wrote: "We have fought more against MAD than Phi when it comes down to it. If we hadn't wasted resources on MAD then there the current war could've been quite different."

Hmm as I recall it, when MAD first advanced, they turned west and attacked FF. You then wall-jumped and attacked them in the rear of their advance on FF, taking their blocker when it was not well defended and breaking through into their core while most of their forces were busy with FF. Bear in mind also that FF alone is bigger than MAD.

So your alliance is Legacy, Dark Blood and Freedom Fighter against just Phi  Factor and MAD. Yet you want to claim that evul Phi and MAD are ganging up on you? The only people who will believe that also believe in Santa Claus and the Tooth Fairy, lol. ;)

alittle correction on Lenard. actually. only 1/3 of PHI is dealing with LGC.
another 3.5/6 is dealing with FF and DB. 0.5/6 is inactive or not playing. just in PHI for reading and talking.

NOTE: never saw binh buy my stone. always been sun most of the time. and to think he provided more armies than me. like i was the 1st STGer,(0.2-0.9)(the reason stone went up that fast) shifted to mining at stone was 0.95. only produced like 3/4 of that 200k Cats,to think berserks are cheaper than cats.

NO IDEA About the MAD cats.. 500k? damn, i wish i know how to do that...

and.. kicking from multis? lol. we kicked inactives.. not multis. or perhaps they were your multi?

Some of you may remember the big war fought over the lgc core 2 eras ago. I was tasked with keeping MAD out of our hair while the rest of the KD tried to fight of all the other kingdoms assailing us. During that fight I noticed sevel suspicious things.

If I used to last minute or so of a tick to get close to an army, or to start prep on a town, the reaction was never instantaneous (even if the ruler had been online a short while earlier).

The MAD troops of certain members always moved in the same order and not once did I see all of them move out at the same time (again, even if I had seen activity from all them in the area during the tick).

Thus my suspicions where born. I asked around a bit to gauge what other people that had been involved with them over the era´s thought about it and not ONE disputed my claims. Now it is of course extremely hard to prove such things, so I didnt speak up (I killed them on my own after all). But I´d say their "record" speaks volumes.

If blockers are so easy to defend, how did Nem kill LGC :P Just teasing. But I think for less organized KD it can be harder to make a blocker CW-immune

Some of us need to get killed in order ot wake up for an era or two Lenard:P

Mr. Aloysius: "(I should be speechless)

Im disappointed that my members got deleted AGAIN but for being deleted because of MULTYING, that I cant understand. I can assure to all of us here that these four are my friends irl (4different persons, i mean). I even played DOTA with them during weeknights except Ms.Strawberry. I cant find any reason except that we always went online in VU at the InternetCafe where we used to play LAN games.

And about a complete ban, I cant agree, I have never been deleted in my entire VU life. But Im afraid I will be affected because I also play in the InternetCafe where I expect is the reason why they are deleted.

MAD will always be in VU as long as Im here for I created this kingdom without them (take note of that). Perhaps, its my fault for having members who got deleted almost every era. I'll take the blame for allowing them in my kingdom even though I have personal reasons why.
It is not my complete control if they coordinate each other to produce a masterpiece army that will shock the community.

I want my kingdom to be honorable and fight the best kingdoms who top the charts in this game (win or lose).I failed in your eyes. I guess to save my pride and flag, this will be the last era of the Yellow Banner. Im proud that my kingdom atleast caused the aspiring kingdoms not to be on top anymore."

I have never heard such a weak argument in the entire time I have played VU. Your members have been deleted time and time again and your excuse for that was... Seriously fess up and tell the truth.

If it is the truth, please admit your members to your local asylum, because doing the same thing over and over again and expecting a different result is the definition of insanity...

Hahaha.

Legacy speaks of honour and fairplay?

Anyway, poor you... MAD stopped you from getting to PHI? Why not even say that MAD almost killed you if you're trying to make such a big deal out of it?

Quit the whining... You're fighting 3v1 and still are making up this crap... Disgusting.

I haven't been playing this era so I can't really see the map so I might not be up to date with everything.

But I've heard MAD was fighting Carnage. So it's pretty hard to call them "a half".

Secondly, if you put the equal sign between a dying BoW (ravaged by Carnage AFAIK and not by you) and Legacy or DB, it means you're accepting LGC or DB are quite insignifiant Kingdoms (probably less than Predators). I assume that's not the case.

I don't know anything about this fact but isn't it possible that PHI has some protection in case of a FF attack? Or are we NAPed? I'm not quite sure.

Anyway, let's call it a 2.25 or 2 against 1.25 in your favour :)

We're still outnumbered.

Are you calling Predators insignifiant? If you are....

Mr. Lenard Report 11/23/2007 3:40:13 PM

BoW is 5% our power and MAD 20%.

"is" but not "was" - they got pwned! one way or "another"

no idea what bow was up to, it was like they just wanted to ask for its own doom.