I am sry to tell to all those who think Hittler was any good in military strategy, that he wasn't.
He never was good and each time, he interfeared into the plannings of his skilled generals, the army was led into a disaster.
He had other skills, yes, but non of them were on the battlefield.

Hittler, was never taking any commands in the field, neither in WW1 nor WW2. Oh yes, many if you are unaware that he was soldier in WW1, but he was so unskilled, that he never got a command there and was used to transport documents, because he was a lazy unskilled bum.
The only time he was taking any command in some kind of military actions was, when he tried to putch german government in 1923, but even there he was a scary scum and let Ludendorf lead the charge of the munich city hall, while hiding behind in civil ^^.

Ofc the operation was a failure.....

So if you want to give credit to germans military achievements (not speaking from holocaust here) then give it to their generals like Rommel, the desert fox.
They were the men who planed and fullfilled the military operations.

Ofc you can still say Hittler achieved something, but nothing military. I think the best achivement he did was building highways in hole germany and upgraded the logistic to a new level there. Well yes, this was something usefull....

Ms. Young Quietone
the thing with hitler is, that he wasn't a  total fail" as general per se as stated above. he made some pretty smart moves, being a layman in the field of warfare. just because he got crushed in the end, doesn't mean he had no skill/talent whatsoever..

Thats funny. All the "smart moves" whats Hitler heeding his generals advice. All the mistakes was Hitler not taking his generals advice. Hitler had no skill/talent whatsoever when it comes to warfare. Not many statesmen in modern history where really generals, a successfull leader in the times of war is he who knew who to listen to / who to appoint. Hitler probably was one of the worst leaders during WW2. Stalin for instance also did mistakes but when WW2 came he rolled back some of them and did what he had to do to win. Churchill was also a much greater military leader, probly becouse he actually had experience of it from before. Of them all though, Mao Zedong was probably the greatest leader of WW2, atleast if you look at military strategy and other skills needed to "win" a war.

Bane is pretty much owning this thread.

Mr. Papas Bear
""""05:19:44 Nov 6th 09 he wasnt feeding

he farmed fant
and played mant with me

unless i dont get what your meaning by feeding

he played it completly fair and always has done""""

This is the very reason i came in 2nd on Fant that era. I refused to get any assist from anyone for any type of feeding, city swapping or any other mechanics abuse you can think of. Sure it was offered but if I couldn't win on my own then i didn't deserve it. Yes i farmed for 80% of the era and spent the last 2-3 weeks making HUGE axer armies to beat down the hordes of armies trying to invade our core. Who still cares?

Mant was strictly WAR 100% all era and if i remember right i even had to restart once. Who still cares?

Who still cares i had 2 accounts OVER A YEAR AGO?? It's something I'll never do again for more reasons then i care to mention. Past is the past, leave it alone.

If my abilities are in doubt then bring it to the map. Forum talk means nothing on the field of battle.

Duke Drakos Report 11:00:56 Nov 3rd 09

In my opinion the "Greats" are people who have skill AND actually give something back to the game. By that I mean helping out newer players, answering q's in Threads, etc.....the idea that only people who have been here for 5 years can be great is ludicrous. If thats so, just reset the game to the way it was in the Beta days and the origional few can sit in a circle and have a circle jerk while they say how great they all are.   Some Vets seem to just live to slam people in the Threads, flame them, spew venom and vitrol and chase some people off. They may finish high, but are they Great? Sure, if you considered Hitler great.  I pick Roxbury as a great because not only does he have skill, but he can admit when a newer player has skill, give hints/tips, and engage in civil discussion, unlike many I can name.

I played in the second beta, noone cares i know, and I've popped in and out of VU rather anonymously for the last 5 years. I couldn't really tell you who I think the best players are b/c of all the name changes. But just look at the era names, Rambo and Sezymon and Draiken didn't win multiple eras by being scrubs. I know Elit has been around the block a few times as has Hamish (if you want to talk about active players). The greatest player of all time is probably me though

All Your City Size Needs

Cavemasters for each city size

n00b friendly guide

Fire Lord Nova The Mzztical Mzzfit Report 16:21:48 Nov 6th 09

All Your City Size Needs Cavemasters for each city size Even Much of the info in this was from me or with my support. n00b friendly guide Don't think any of that makes me a great player but if it helped even 1 person become a better one then all the better. If anything it's nice for quick reference to even old players including myself. =)

Yeah well, I made a battle calculator better than the java one and only shared it with my KD mates... so there!

Fire Lord Nova The Mzztical Mzzfit Report 22:00:23 Nov 6th 09

Mr. Papas Bear """"05:19:44 Nov 6th 09 he wasnt feeding he farmed fant and played mant with me unless i dont get what your meaning by feeding he played it completly fair and always has done"""" This is the very reason i came in 2nd on Fant that era. I refused to get any assist from anyone for any type of feeding, city swapping or any other mechanics abuse you can think of. Sure it was offered but if I couldn't win on my own then i didn't deserve it. Yes i farmed for 80% of the era and spent the last 2-3 weeks making HUGE axer armies to beat down the hordes of armies trying to invade our core. Who still cares? Mant was strictly WAR 100% all era and if i remember right i even had to restart once. Who still cares? Who still cares i had 2 accounts OVER A YEAR AGO?? It's something I'll never do again for more reasons then i care to mention. Past is the past, leave it alone. If my abilities are in doubt then bring it to the map. Forum talk means nothing on the field of battle.

I hope ZeTa cares :)
This nice confession of yours will be a good reason to check IP logs, Im sure ZeTa could recheck them :)

U know i wonder what would happen if we had to to tell the truth?

Being honest isnt so bad really.

And btw I vote that revenge and lew stink.


I also vote myself as vu cancer! considering revenge & lew runs the show.

Fafnir ?

LOL.

Rev is one to laugh...hahahahaha, im going to laugh myself to sleep.

Dark Prince Stirlin Report 11:07:31 Nov 7th 09

yes, Fafnir, he trained me as well as Drakos did, and Fafnir and I led Velocity :) please dont bring up velocity, i try and forget that kd

LOL.

Lol, Velocity was a great kingdom in era 37... Then era 38 happened and Fafnir invited players like Penguin and put the kingdom to shame.

o Thats right it was ur other acc that we played together in my bad.

O dont worry it was eras ago .. not trolling just knowing.


Ur a great player and I am sure U prolly dont have that acc anymore rite ?


Nothing personal, just tring to insure people know how large this goes and how many people have done such and got away with over the eras .

it could be I have u mixed up it was like era 18 or 19 I think so its been some if I am sorry.

LOL I like sprout, even if he did join no honour at least he tells the truth.

so how am I considered?

Duke Polydeuces Report 18:06:04 Nov 7th 09

Lol, Velocity was a great kingdom in era 37... Then era 38 happened and Fafnir invited players like Penguin and put the kingdom to shame.

Velocity never was a great kd. Only Stirlin and Piece maker was something great in kd. You where just some retard who thought that your the best player with huge ego...
Fafnir never invited me. Fordius asked me to join RVL , we talked and he mentioned he is making a nub kd to train, then i thought why should i play with some vets, some retards, and some unknown people while i could train or try to develop some fagish kd. thats why i came to velocity... and it was an uber mistake. Fafnir never took a shit about kd , was seriously inactive.... thats what screwd velocity..

faf was a gd player, very capable PERIOD.

whether velocity was gd or nt has nothing to do with faf, 1 player doesnt make or break a kd.

like we heard peng was in it among other gd players and nubs too, if faf is crap for being in velocity then so is peng, peacemaker and stirling too.

Well thats what vices are for... and good vice(s) with an inactive leader can do win an era

<3 Random

Lord Stewie Griffin Report 22:35:30 Nov 8th 09

Well thats what vices are for... and good vice(s) with an inactive leader can do win an era

if kd is full of retards and doesnt listen to you? or the fuck you do? and only to leader, which doesnt give a shit and logs once a day? when all the main players are sleepin ? When leader doesnt give the main power to vices? when vices ask to leave leadership and give it to one of the vice, so we would have 100% control? cause how could we handle lets say relations or anything else if other kd leaders send msgs to inactive leader and he doesnt do anything? or doesnt log in once per day? how then we should go on? KD was ment to fail. and it failed.

Hitler made some very poor decisions, particularly later in the war and of course the battle of britain strategy change to switch from airfields to city bombing...it actually is quite a reasonable assumption that many others made(dresden) but the brits by luck and talent got their air power back up because of it...in hindsight it was a tactical error but a natural one to make since th british air machine was "finished" in most people's judgement.

best way to look at ww2 is the army strength and casualty numbers. the german soliders killed 5 times their TOTAL army size in just russian SOLDIERS alone(mind you for the russians a peasant with a hoe was good enough for battle).

The germans were vastly outnumbered, should never of been in Africa, and the cracking of the enigma code was a real disaster when they had allied shipping crippled. They were technologically superior in every way and their soldiering ability was superior(again just look at the stats for those who disagree)...their biggest problem was lack of natural resources and in particular Oil...with sea transport under threat they had to invade russia for this alone and i type now from volgograd,former stalingrad, where such an epic battle took place.

Hitler did second guess his generals later in the war but he wasnt totally incompetant, just not an experienced as his General peers. he also wasnt the only motivator and the myth about him was just as much the work of goebbels and the propaganda machine so i would say average general who had some successes and some spectacular failures, and an above average motivator and speaker.

i recall reading an account from Goebbels describing how "hitler's blue eyes shone with passion" and which of course they werent blue...

i would give myself this:
farming 1, warring 2, rhino 27. makes an average of 10 :-) I ROCKZZ!!

you dedicate your internet time to pissing off nerds

that sir, makes you a nerd!