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I think it is reasonable to assume that the Earth is not the only planet in the Universe that contains intelligent life. The observations based on the Hubble space satellite pictures indicate that there is at least more than a few hundred billions galaxies out there. In our galaxy there are about 100 billion stars, like our Sun being one of them. I'd say there are quite many other planets out there as well, and our small world is just a tiny atom in a side of a drop in a vast sea of stars.

Now, my question being, how does your religion manifest itself in the worlds of other species. You think there's similar history in all of the million alien worlds, with some individual raised in a rank of Jesus-the-alien?

How about the fact that human race has not been around for too long. Maybe few hundred thousand years, while the age of our planet is about 4.54 billion years. That's a very short time that our own species has been around... and we never know how long we will be here, since we keep destroying our planet's limited resources at such a pace. One big reason being the ignorant people, believing in some ghosts and priests, not understanding for real the consequences of our actions, while being controlled by the power-seeking politicians using the religion as a tool to control the masses.

Do you believe that you are being controlled through the religion, or do you really believe that some book written by multiple authors maybe 1700 years ago could contain actual truths? Wouldn't it make more sense that the more recent knowledge would be more on the target?

Your questions are indeed well spent. We do believe that God has made worlds without end. We believe that His works are endless. To understand it all is not possible for our mortal minds. God is the same yesterday, today, and forever and operates on every world after the same manner He does here.

Also, the age of this world can only be estimated, but not fully proven, for no one is still alive from the beginning to say so. Time is relative and "Time is only measured by man." So the age of this world is irrelevant. For one thing, God did not simply create the earth out of thin air, but organized already existing material into a world we now call Earth, perhaps material from past worlds reused, just like the physical matter that makes up our bodies.

The molecules and atoms constantly change, people erode and decay and those same molecules are passed on to the next person, creature, or other thing. If you dated the molecules in me, would that determine my age or just the age of the material that makes me up? I am only 21 years old but the atoms that make me up have been around forever. Think of Earth in the same way.

Now, most religion has become a tool of evil, to control the masses, as you put it. Shortly after Christ's death, the apostles struggled to maintain the pure doctrine of Christ, but people rejected them as well and killed them. People made unauthorized changes to Christ's teachings, some by mistake, others on purpose to control the masses. All evidence of Christ's church was soon lost through countless councils, debates, and evil intent. Constantine organized a church merely to prevent a civil war in his rule. This church still could not agree and split into the Roman Catholic and the Greek Orthodox. The churches were used to rule mankind temporally, which was against Christ who said, "My kingdom is not of this world."

This is what is called an apostasy, a falling away from truth. Due to this Great Apostasy, mankind used religion to oppress and retard the minds of the people. This caused the Dark Ages. God knew that this would happen, and He prepared a way for His church to be restored. He has always called prophets, and he always will. Finally, when religious freedom sprouted in a young United States, God knew that it was finally safe to call another prophet, a young boy only 14 years old, Joseph Smith. All of Christ's most precious teachings were restored, but people still choose not to follow truth but their own fantasies and partial truths.

The Bible mentions this that the would be a falling away. But behind the corrupt governments and powers lies the real enemy of mankind that has been here from the beginning. He is the one that always sets man against his neighbor, tempts kings and presidents to abuse their power to bring terror and confusion to the world. He is called the devil.

The world will continue to be corrupted and polluted until Christ returns. The destruction of the Earth only reflects the corruption of its inhabitants. The earth has never suffered as much as now, because the earth as never been so full of evil and corruption as now. But it will be cleansed and purged of corruption and the corrupt governors, false priests, and blasphemers will be thrown down.

I do not believe in Mormonism out of ignorance or blind faith, nor should anyone. You must find out for yourself what is truth. When you discover truth, no matter how you find it, doubt will not exist in your mind, and to deny the truth you would have to deny your own existence. That is how I feel, I know with a certainty that God exists and feel that this is true in the same feeling I know that I exist as I am. It did not come from someone telling me so, man can lie and create fantasies that sound appealing, but God cannot lie. Prayer in faith, with at least a desire to believe, will lead you to undeniable truth.

I am not controlled through the religion. I can very well choose not to follow the church. My religion is a path I choose to walk. I can stray from it and often do through laziness and temptation. But I am always welcomed back, and I return gladly. I know both sides, and prefer to follow God rather than be carried away through lust and passions. I prefer it because the blessings are greater and far out way the benefits of the other road.

We do not just follow the Bible, if that is what you are denoting from "some book written... 1700 years ago." We believe in truth where ever truth may be found. But the basic truths never change and whether it was written thousands of years ago or today, it will never change. History repeats itself and the nature of humanity has always been the same. One is that we constantly seek ease and invent things to make things easier. But just because our technology is advanced and fashions of governments, clothes, and language are different, it does not mean that truths taught thousands of years ago have changed.

But events and situations do differ. Instead of famine like Joseph of Egypt, we have depressions and recessions. Instead of floods of Noah, we have global warming and pollution. Instead of slavery by a wicked Pharaoh like Moses, we have oppressive and greedy politicians. Although the style has changed, we can relate issues of past civilizations to solve our own problems.

To address us more specifically, God did not leave us with just one book, but gives us more all the time. We believe in a living prophet of God, like Moses or Abraham. We believe in living apostles, like Peter, James, John, and Paul. They speak to us just as Moses did to his people in his days, or Noah did in his. Though the principles have not changed, different instructions are given now. For example, our prophet a few years ago warned us about getting into debt. He constantly warned us to get out of debt as soon as possible and to not live beyond your means. Well, many ignored him and we fell into our current recession due to the housing crisis, caused by that very reason, from people not getting out of debt and spending more that they had.

Even Joseph Smith in the 18340s warned against civil war that would start in South Carolina. People rejected and ignored him, and a civil war erupted only a couple decades later. Prophets still warn us today, to protect the family, to save up emergency food storage, to be active and serve others, and much more.

Hey. At least you proved me that it makes no sense trying to prove you being wrong or me being right. If you have set your mind firmly on something and truly believe yourself to believe in it, nobody can change that. And who cares how the world and reality came to be anyhow?

What matters is this moment. As long as your religion or beliefs make you a better man, I don't care what you believe or who is right. Live as you wish and let others live theirs. Conserve the environment and try to leave something for your children as well. Other than that, have as much fun as you can while living on this planet :-)

Do you have any statistics that prove what you say. What is your source of these things anyways. Never have mormons supported racism, never. In fact, other residents in Missouri in Joseph Smith's day drove the mormons out, fearing the Missouri would become a free state due to the growing number of mormons there. Joseph Smith ran for presidency as well and offered a solution to slavery, and was shortly assassinated afterwards.

We most certainly do not have any prejudice towards Native Americans. The Book of Mormon is their history and heritage. We have a scripture that says that they will into a great and delightful people, that it is one of the signs that Chirst will come.

As to the matter of the "magical underwear," that issue is entirely personal and sacred and is not to be used for something as trivial as "statistics." All I can say is that it is an outward symbol of an inward promise to God. Whatever happens do to that covenant of protection and guidance, from evil both physical and spiritual, is to remain between me and God alone and not to be wasted on the faithless.

Wow... did I read that block of text right? We have a member of the Church of Moron in the house?

I always thought it's existence was a myth, I never talked to somebody that actually admitted they were part of that special type of crazy. Even when talking about religious loons and crazies one must be in owe at the Moron "Church", besides that do we really need another thread like this, everybody knows how this will continue. We provide proof and the nuts provide prophecies and voodoo mysticism from their "Holy" Books, of whichever variety.

wow ... Cobra is on! and is speaking truth...

I too am Mormon, and will personally go to anyone's house to spread the glorious religion.

Oh I'm sorry, did I say Mormon? I meant to say I believe in sticking my head in a top hat, but whats the difference really? :)

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Thanks Babe, My Opera fails me :(

That assumes he has a mind to change! :>

oh snap... this is from the book of mormon

Alma 3: 6 "And the skins of the Lamanites were dark, according to the mark which was set upon their fathers, which was a curse upon them because of their transgression and their rebellion against their brethren, who consisted of Nephi, Jacob, and Joseph, and Sam, who were just and holy men."

how come mormon's wouldn't let black people into their church before 1978? how come polygammy used to be allowed? how come whenever some weird thing wrong with the mormon church is pointed out someone happens to have a revelation saying that's not right anymore?

"The Mormon Church does not believe, nor does it teach, that the Negro is an inferior being. Mentally, and physically, the Negro is capable of great achievement, as great and in some cases greater than the potentiality of the white race. He can become a lawyer, a doctor, a scientist, and he can achieve great heights." - Joseph Smith
(Deseret News, Church Section)

as i said in the other post i am an excommincated mormon and have a fair knowledge of their beliefs.

the mormon church contends that the native american people are essentially from israel and travelled across a millienium ago. thus thye are very much in favour of native americans.

i have seen comments about black people from decades ago but i cant comment on it being anything but hearsay since i aint that old!

mormon church also talks about different ways to god etc but this is the "best way" according to them...plus as he said in the other post there is 3 heavens effectively so if you want to go to the real cool one, become a mormon and marry a mormon.

polygamy was outlawed by the church in the 1800s but as rightly said jews and arabs practiced it since the dawn of man. i live in uzbekistan and everyone has at least a second wife or girlfriend here. polygamy is not, howver, removed from pearl of great price which means many of the splinter groups and reformed church of jesus christ of latter day saints, often sitll practice it.

basically if you want a group of people to survive, particularly when the men are off fighting all the time and dying(and you probably wont find more patriotic americans than mormons-they even believe eden was in america before the flood)...then polygamy makes sense. a part of their religion is to have a lot of children to bring as many people from the pre-existance as possible. polygamy certainly helps that but it was outlawed later 1800s and any member of the manin church would be kicked for doing it now(more like an urban myth these days).

another thing about the mormon church is they believe in aliens. ask about kolob and other places that are mentioned. finding aliens would be no surprise to mormons but a big challenge to mainstream christianity.

we all hate them knocking on our door, except the cute canadian girls, but it is always useful to know what they actually believe.

"The church has issued no violence against others for beliefs, called for no crusades or genocides, and for all of these years, the church continues to grow ever stronger and larger."

Well, the Mormons used to massacre settlers from Europe and blame it on native Americans.

Mr. Zackefeker


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08:21:47 Aug 13th 09 CHRIST FAGS DIE

Fags rule da world babe

I don't care anymore. The guys on here are complete pigs. I'm not about to stoop down to their level. It just proves whose the better man, the one trying to explain his side, or the other just giving out random comments of "fag" this and "troll" that. Most of them can't put a complete sentence down. Pardon the pun, but to hell with them. Let them harass me all they want, I won't read this forum anymore.

It's done you godless imps.

Well that was easier than I expected.

Thats only cause Peng and Cobra think they are cool because they can put people down and troll the forums.

I was saying it was gonna end badly because its like the left hand trying to tell the right hand what to do. No one here is right or wrong. Belief is a state of mind. If you believe you believe you dont you dont. You cant have a real discussion about religion because of that because everyone thinks they are right and everyone else is wrong for their religion which they arent. Its wrong to even think you are better then anyone else. 

Sorry if that doesnt make sense :S

ok w/e

Exactly a million times and the same outcome.