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lol Americans shouldn't boast about their army to much. Its true that only few that join seals etc. make it through but if you would just look outside your own country for just a single second you would see that military training is allmost identical all across the western-world. it sure is tough but i bet Isrealic special forces training for example is tougher.

And about the gym thing, i am with wraith on that on. It is very unhealthy to go heavy exercise one day after the other. you should take at least one day between heavy workouts. I disregarded this when i started working out and now my wrist is allready screwed for the rest of my life, and i am only 18 now. really watch out with hard workouts. btw, this doesn't include running offcourse.

@ Roxbury;

Cardiovascular fitness/endurance is probably the most important thing for a modern soldier; a modern soldier needs to be able to run very fast for a little while (moving from point A to Point B, sometimes under fire) and hold his gun still so that he can aim.
It is very difficult to hit a target when you are breathing hard from running, endurance training will allow you to stabilize your weapon so that you can actually hit something when you need to.

@ You crazy workout people;

Also, it's been said before and I'll say it again, do not work out the same muscles two days in a row. It's fine to work out your arms one day, then go back and work out your abs or your legs, but do not work out the same muscle group twice in a row. You will injure yourself, and get minimal benefit.
When you work out, your muscles tell your body that they need to grow, because they are being pushed past what they can handle. These muscles must then rest to allow them to grow (improvement) and repair the damages sustained (prevention of injury.)

To kill and die for what they believe. What they believe is worth fighting for and possibly even dying for is completely different from what you believe. Everyones different some are willing to do more others less but we all have something that we would sacrifice to protect.

‘All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing’

exactly, there is no excuse for killing people, except self defence if its the only way. That does not include invading a country because 0,00000000000000001% of its population are fanatics...

Heres my statement to any USA pro army preacher:
Fuck the USA government (except Obama) and the army it uses for its selfish needs.

Ahhh, and here you get to the shadowy line.... What is good?

Thats the concept of pluralism in action... We accept that other people's views are not the same as ours and have to tolerate them in today's society... Unfortunately, that includes their views on good, bad, etc... :p

wilber you should stop all that running, and take up eating, your too skinny for the military mr twigg!

What makes you any better kiryu? What makes you not a stupid animal? What makes you not a tool?

And Tyrgalon that statement is fucking stupid because you can't just say fuck the US government except Obama, hes the policy setter as of now so basically he is the government.... durhhh...

Just some advice if you ever go to cold weather training...

1. Wear proper clothes with different layers (layer 1: Transfer water from the skin, layer two; sucking up that water and isolating, layer three: protecting from wind yet good ventilation). Use wool instead of cotton. Wool will keep you warm even if you are wet and it will not stink like shit after a few days of sweating. When cotton gets wet it stays wet.

2. Don't touch metal directly with skin. Use thin gloves for combat and thick ones that you can put over them. Tie the thick ones on  your wrists so that you can throw them off quickly.

3. Wind will make cold colder.Check the wind chill factor. Find shelter for the wind!

4. Try to avoid sweating. Take off clothes if you are working. Take on extra clothes whenever you will be standing still for a longer period.

5. Don't eat yellow snow...

6. Don't forget to drink water. Wear  your water belt inside the clothes so that it wont freeze to ice.

7. If you are jumping into a hole in the ice, don't try to be cool and dive into it. 

8. Always have a set of try clothes and a towel with you.

9. If you fall into a hole in the ice, don't try to get up right away, wait like 10-20 seconds so that your body adapts and you stop hyper venting.
When you are up, find cover from the wind, take off the wet clothes as fast as you can, then put dry ones on and run until you get the heat up.

10. If you feel cold, run until you get warm.

11. If your buddy get cold toes, put them in your arm pits, skin-to-skin: Its very effective. If they get too cold it will cause tissue damage, turn black and then start to rot, so let him use your arm pits!

12. Check each others faces for white areas, it means they need to warm it up or risk permanent damage. 

13. Let everything take its time... Running in deep snow is slow and you get tired easily. Don't take your gloves off just because you are faster without them.

14. The ground is cold! Avoid sitting or standing directly on the ground. Use isolation.

15. Put paper under your shoe sole. It will suck upp water and give you less foot sweat.

16. Eat lots and lots of butter. It will make you warmer =)

We had some fun when navy seals came over for some cold weather training, most of them wearing cotton t-shirs etc. They had to go home after two days because they where literally freezing to death.

"Well someone has to police the world..." Lol... no

U.S. is a Post Industrial economy. They deal in selling technology and services  not consumer goods.

The reason other economies are able to produce more then they consume is because they sell it here. We buy it. Less then 5% of that 300 million people save money in the bank most blow it like idiots. When 1/3 of the worlds money flows through 1 country you have a tendency to sell there especially since money is spent here thus why we have a higher import rate then export rate.

Tyrgalon, if you are cursing the huge debt your friend Obama has created, you can also examine some interesting facts. The national debt as a percentage of GDP is listed publicly for all nations. Here are some real examples of the debt nations carry:

United States = 39.7%
U.K.  = 47.2%
Norway = 52%
Netherlands = 43%
France = 67%
Germany = 62%

The U.S.economy is not so badly managed as you claim, but with a little more effort put forth by the present day administration, it probably will be.

... and before I forget,

Backbone,
Semper Fidelis to you, with strength and honor!!!

I am not cursing Obama for it. More like your previous president mr. WC Bush. Obama is doing good considering the mess he was left to take care of.

Also, are you aware that most of those depts are from the 2 world wars that where mainly fought in Europe? Those depths have accumulated under a very long time, while the USA one is rather new, and very large considering that fact. USA is doing better now, a lot of it due to Obama, but before that it was all downhill.

A major reason for USAs success is due to the fact that it had a easy time during the wars, it was the only country that had labour and money to spare to build industries for the production of war materials, which it sold to Europe for the money we borrowed.

Not to mention that Europe (and especialy Finland) has had a identical financial crisis as the USA has now, but did you ever study and learn from our mistakes? no, you ignore us because USA is the "greatest and most wonderful" country in the world...

Countries should take Finland for an example on how to get rid of depths. In the 80s we had a 60% depth, and it was at 32% before the recent financial crisis, now it is at 41%. Not to mention that we paid a huge damage (see wiki for definition) to USSR due to the war between the countries (that they started), and the fact that we were "allies" of Nazi-Germany (out of necessity to fend of USSR).

Regards, Tyrgalon

Healthcare and Education in Finland is free, isn't it?

I know for Malta its free. So personally I wouldn't mind slightly higher taxes for free health. Can't imagine what it'd be like getting the Hospital fee for a broken leg in America :s

$800 for a broken leg?? 

That's horrible, + you'd be out of work for who knows how long.
This is why I was incredibly shocked that people actually opposed the Health Care Reforms Obama pushed through. Seriously, why?

9. If you fall into a hole in the ice, don't try to get up right away, wait like 10-20 seconds so that your body adapts and you stop hyper venting.
When you are up, find cover from the wind, take off the wet clothes as fast as you can, then put dry ones on and run until you get the heat up.

Getting naked and rolling around in the snow is also a good idea.

10. If you feel cold, run until you get warm.

Or if you can't run, press ups are a good way to warm up. 

Mr. Heroix


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16:33:41 Apr 19th 10 All you voluntary army are volunteering just to be a tool for you governments needs. To kill and die for what? Freedom? Democracy? Killing people for peace?

Let me read you a little something, you may know.

They came first for the Communists,
and I didn't speak up because I wasn't a Communist.

Then they came for the Jews,
and I didn't speak up because I wasn't a Jew.

Then they came for the trade unionists,
and I didn't speak up because I wasn't a trade unionist.

Then they came for the Catholics,
and I didn’t speak up because I was a Protestant.

Then they came for me
and by that time no one was left to speak up.

I'm sure you don't believe in self-defence either Mr. Heroix!

You may say terrorists are fighting for what they believe. However theres abit of a difference between purposely targetting civillians and fighting against insurgents who could be anyone, anywhere at any time. It is a shame, mistakes are made were civillians are killed. But fighting enemies like this, it is expected.

Sir Mirror Report 17:12:32 Apr 20th 10

That's horrible, + you'd be out of work for who knows how long. This is why I was incredibly shocked that people actually opposed the Health Care Reforms Obama pushed through. Seriously, why?

Sir mirror, it depends on the job you do. And if your out of work for some time period you can get a check from the government. Plus if you got hurt while on the job your company pays for the injury through the insurance it offers it's empolyees. Also you're going to pay the 800 dollars one way or another through taxes so not like the healthcare plan changes much : /

Mr. Tyrgalon wtf is your problem? You keep making these accusations of how we Americans think we're the smartest people or whatever, but honestly have you ever actually lived in America? Have you actually ever gone to school in America? So then how the fuck would you know the mind set of the American people? Stop making such wide generalizations because it makes you look like a fucking douchebag. Want to know why? Because you sit there and lecture us like your so much fucking better get the fuck over yourself.

"ps. I am from Finland, I have a good view of how the rest of the world is compared to us."

That comment just proves how conceited you are so seriously stop making so many fucking dipshit comments about the rest of the world of what you think you know because I could take a poll and the majority of Americans wouldn't call America the best nation, not only that but they wouldn't say they're the smartest either.

Starting on a new note and going to this post.

Mr. Tyrgalon Report 04:23:55 Apr 20th 10

lol...seriously world police...do we need a "Europe police" to stop wars here? no, do we need a world police to stop wars in the world, no... The British Empire never tried to be a world police, it was only looking after its own interests. USA is just doing the same, but they have to cover it up in terms like that so the rest of the world (and the citizens of USA) wouldn´t realize what they really are doing. Its also a way to prevent people from claiming that they are only doing it for themselves, because they gott all this shit about "war against terrorists" and "the gift of democracy" to fall back on as a defense for their actions. Also, Obama did not start the wars and other shit. On the contrary, he is trying to fix it. He has also realized that USA is not the best place on the world, and learned to take example from Europe (health care system) and not be so close minded and self centered as most in the USA seem to be. Seriously people are calling the health reform for some communist stuff, who fucking cares, the idea of socialism is great but very hard to implement in all aspects of the society without it going wrong somewhere mostly due to corrupted leaders. For example, Finland has a lot of socialistic aspects in its government activities, such as free health care and education. Its not perfect, but its not without reason that Russians come here to get service at our hospitals, and they pay well ;) Not to mention our schools that are famous around the world for their high standard education, and that we excel in the Pisa tests for students. So please stop having this "God bless America, and no one else" attitude, because the USA is a major fail of a country: 300 million people and a totally industrialized country, but still you manage to consumes more than you produce and get yourself a HUGH debt... And you wanna be a world police? Seriously, stop dreaming and get a grip of reality. Regards, Tyrgalon

Whether you want to admit it or not Britain did try to police the world, and just like you said they were looking out for their own interests, which I agree with. After the two world wars with a battered Britain, America arose from its isolationist policies and took on a new world policy partly due to Communist threat, but also because Britain lost its pestle, and after WW2 Europe came to rely on America for protection that's why European countries don't need/have to spend a lot of their military nowadays because they know America would come to help, it's also the reason why America spends 30% of its budget on defence/military spending.

Addressing the second paragraph the iraqi war I agree was not exactly needed, but the Afghan war was needed. In the early decade the taliban were gaining power threatening to overflow out of Afghanistan someone needed to stop the taliban from getting complete control of Afghanistan, and Bush was trying to end the two wars just as fast as Obama there is not much of a change between the two in strategy on the war. Bush was already making plans to withdraw out of Iraq, and Obama finished those plans.

Why do you keep making those comments?   

"He has also realized that USA is not the best place on the world, and learned to take example from Europe (health care system) and not be so close minded and self centered as most in the USA seem to be."

No, one here ever said the USA is the best place on the world so wtf? Why even bring it up? Also Americas had many of the same social programs as Western Europe for most of the last half century, the only difference was that we didn't have a nationalized healthcare system. Also why is it that you make it sound like Europe is so perfect? You don't out right say it, but you definitely imply it the way you talk. Addressing that same paragraph the idea of socialism itself is not great, but in combination with capitalism it is a great idea.

As for your paragraph about Finland education and healthcare. Russians may come to Finland and you said they pay well, but see a Mexican could come to an American hospital and pay for none of it beause a hospital can't legally denie someone healthcare because their not covered or can't pay, and so the American people are left to fit the bill. As for the education part the scoring of nations students it is a bit rigged. See in European states ( as it has been explained to me, so forgive me if I'm wrong) that based on your score you either go further on to get a higher education or go to a vocational type school to get specialized training for a particular skill. And in America going to a vocational school is a choice, and even then not a widely offered one. Thus we try to give everyone the same opportunities and the same education where as in European countries based on tests you go were you must. Thus only those that go to get higher education in Europe are actually counted when taking those tests to grade countries on their education whereas in the USA it's not exactly the same, but I do agree European nations do have good school systems, and I think that education should be free whereas right now after High School it's not free.

As for the last paragraph idc.. Lol, someone should take more history.

Well, regardless of whether America is stagnating or not, they are still the bar that every other country looks up to, and the milestone that the next superpower always looks to exceed.

Mr. Willem Beunhaas


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23:02:22 Apr 20th 10 how do you mean that? how many civlians died in total in the western world? compare that to the civilian casualties in the Afghanistan and Iraq... you wouldn't even get close to that number... beware with what you say as one day you might be in the same position as they are now... and trust me, most would do the same... What do you think your grandfather would do if he lived in an by germany occupied country in WW II? if he was angry enough he would do exactly the same. War is war... it isn;t fair.


Obviously, the cost of civillians will be more in Iraq and Afghan than the western civillian casualties as we're fighting on their home turf, it's guerrilla warfare. Lets face it, if the taliban were in uniform and had a real war with the Americans/British/Coalition forces, it would be over and done with within weeks.
How long did it take for Baghdad to fall after the invasion?


A difference between us and them, is that they purposely target civillians. Do we kill young children who associate themselves with our enemies, then leave their bodies to be seen publically as an example?

My soldiers? If you read the thread, you'd realise I'm not American.

I was pretty disguisted by their comments on it, yeah, but as I said I'm not American. If they wish to go gung-ho about if, fair enough, they're to blame when it goes wrong. But don't generalize all Americans or all soldiers like that.

A difference between us and them, is that they purposely target civillians. Do we kill young children who associate themselves with our enemies, then leave their bodies to be seen publically as an example?

yes, NATO troops do that stuff as well. you just don't hear about it.