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Hehehe :P

And go Barney! :O Wish I could make as much sense of the numbers as you :p

were gonna make you feel our pain XD

Ret members who read this, if I get infected on starta... I will be extremely peeved.

Dark felt the pain last era, I expect this time with the plague will be less painful :)

Hehe, you actually dun really need coordination to beat the plague =)  Luckily we had fun with it last era, so me and Holly found a few tricks around it ;)

welll 50 scouts all infected sent by a halfer do you think you could stop it then?

and it's precisely BECAUSE of the 50 scouts that cure plague etc would not work, there is no way to cure the plague and make even a decent effort it does not come back...

good luck with that lol, you'd need a lot of slaves to try and cover the production of that many pez

hehe, well, I would say they should just get rid of the Cure Plague spell and that should be the only change...but I like everyone using their MUs on it so I hope they keep it lol

hmmmmm so does the plague just completely up and disappear after the casting period runs out completely even if it just infected a new city?

Also as far as I can tell the earliest sign of it is.......
 02:00:02: The plague in Big Farm killed 0 peasants, 0 Farmers, 0 Slingers, 0 Pony riders, 0 Illusionists and 0 Adventurers.
soooooo how many ticks has it been around now????

lol, well all I can say is what comes around goes around.

Here is how cure plague works: It does not cure it at all; *beep*s. That's why you are "still loosing peasants" each tick. It reduces the duration of the plague on a city or army it is casted on, and if that duration is brought below 0 then the plague on that target will simply be cured; although it is likely a new plague will THEN stack over the cured city. The reason that you all are going "ZOMG PLAGUE CURE DOES NO WORK PEASANTS STILL DIE OH NOES1!!1!" is because you are all likely dealing with it for the first time, ever, and have not taken the time to consider that the duration of this new plague is higher then that of your new cure. Wait like 150+ hours and try again; I guarantee that you will find new results. Honestly, experiment a bit before coming to conclusions, making suggestions, or commenting within a suggestion.

That is not to say I am in favor of the current mechanics, I agree it needs to be changed; but not in the matter which you have suggested; therefore I disagree.

Here is how *beep*s should go about curing it; as it is NOT very hard at all with coordination and requires FAR LESS Mu's then the caster needed to get the plague off to have a longer cure duration on 20+ cities then the cast duration of an existing plague.

Make a magic tower city with ~40 ticks range or so. Pump MU's into it. Play around with cure attempts until the duration of the cure plague is longer then the duration left on the existing plague. This can be hard to do if the existing plague was JUST casted, and has a duration of 200 days of so; which is rather hard to do anyways. If you cannot exceed the duration of the existing plague, wait a few RL days and try again. I should note that a good way to see if your cure plagues duration is longer is to cast on a city that is not within range of more then 2 other cities, and see if peasants still die next tick. I will post more when I'm home in a few minutes.


As I was saying, you need to test the duration of a plague. The way I have done this for the last 2 eras is to cast the cure on a city in which the plague can only jump to from 1 or 2 cites, and cast it about 5 times and see if more peasants dieing is in your news log after each tick. If it is, then you just reduced the duration. If for 1 single tick it isn't, then your city was cured.

Of course, this method overall can be hard to do. Without a large coordinated effort, it can be difficult to cure a plague within a large isolation are such as Fantasia; where most cities will be near enough to multiple cities to contract plague. In general you need to catch it before it spreads too much, have a large enough magic power to contain it, or have a quarantined core.

I said above I do not agree with the current mechanics of cure; it wasn't for any reason I stated above. It is for more complicated reasoning. You see, the mechanics of multiple plagues  existing within the same or spread-adjacent areas is... troubling. I doubt most  kingdoms would ever be able to coordinate to use this to it's full, incurable; abusable potential; especially given the lack of BASIC knowledge of a spell or cure that has been around for over 2 eras let alone knowledge of stacking plagues.

It should be noted that I have nearly all formulas for all aspects of VU on my "Home" computer. Unfortunately, I derived most of them when I was 17 and played VU, I am now 19 and in an out of state college so I wont drive to my parents house to access the notepad with the info. If anyone has a program with which I can access my other computer's out of state files, then I will paste nearly all of these said formulas.

Although I do not have all these formulas on hand, most took under 10 minutes to derive when I had a wealth of information of all the relevant factors withing it.

If I remember correctly, the death ratio on a given plague was directly related to the magic power of the base cast, which was directly related to the magic power upon casted, as with most spells. So, you can back-work the starting duration of a plague by looking at what % of peasants are dieing in a given city.

Also, many players may wonder about the maximum spread length. I do not measure distance in "scout ticks", I use the minimum built in unit for distance in the VU database. I found this a LONG time ago by moving armies outside of maps, and looking at the coordinates given in the error messages to find the smalled unit in VU. I named it "Barnys", because I like to be pretentious.

The plague can jump roughly 650 Barnys.

A scout moves 95 Barny's a tick, and here is the formula for army movement in relation to army size:

95 - Army Size #

Where Army Size # is the number listed to the left of the following chart:
0Scout = 1-7 soldiers
1 Section = 8-11 soldiers
2 Platoon = 12-50 soldiers
3 Company = 51-299 soldiers
4 Battalion = 300-1499 soldiers
5 Regiment = 1500-3999 soldiers
6 Brigade = 4000-9999 soldiers
7 Division = 10,000-19,999 soldiers
8 Corps = 20,000-89,999 soldiers
9 Army = 90,000-199,999 soldiers
10 Group of armies = 200,000-999,999 soldiers or a merge
11 Horde = More then one million soldiers

I should note that in this calculation, the soldier number for a what X army can hold before becoming the next size work with lvl 1, lvl2, and lvl 4 troops counting as 1 soldier, and lvl 3 and lvl 5 unites counting as 2 soldiers.


Anyways, enjoy your plague! I will just sit back with my superior knowledge of the subject and 2 eras of experimenting with it while and spread along with countless eras of experiments with magic way back in Era 21 when I last chose Elf.

If you have more questions, send me a PM in game!




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Good job Barney -_-; now you revealed the secret...

Now that I know how to spread the plague, I can personally guarantee that the next time it happens, every world is getting to share in the fun as quickly as possible!

How many other worlds did this get to? I am pretty sure it's on Zetamania...



You really dont know anything about how to spread it past the laymans knowledge. I am a VU Guide, but I dont feel at liberty to discuss things I assume are bugs and other ways of spreading it, but I assure you that for the last 2 eras me and some LGC vets could make it spread 20 ticks with 100% effectiveness within 1 tick; justs takes some knowledge and playing around.

PM me in game if you want a few pointers on it or any other matters, I just dont want to post these things up for anyone.

Barney no offence but sloth knows more about vu then you ever will, being a vu guide does not make you all powerfull and all knowning.

"and lvl 3 and lvl 5 unites counting as 2 soldiers."

Thanks for proving you're still an *beep*. Go back to the drawing room fgt.

Anyway obvious wannabe troll is *beep*ing obvious.

Barney no offence but sloth knows more about vu then you ever will, being a vu guide does not make you all powerfull and all knowning.

I know, being a VU guide means nothing, look at the list for god sakes. Also, being a VU moderator means nothing. And I know that Sloth possibly know more about VU then me, I never said he didn't did I?

"and lvl 3 and lvl 5 unites counting as 2 soldiers."

Thanks for proving you're still an *beep*. Go back to the drawing room fgt.

Anyway obvious wannabe troll is *beep*ing obvious.

I'm glad you make this point in such a friendly manner. Yes, I summarized that a bit. Mounted lvl 3 units count as 3 in the count, although some count a 2. I don't feel lake making a list.

I think only one of us needs to test this matter out and it sure as *beep* isnt me.

You know how I know you're a loud mouth *beep*? I did tested it before I even posted, *beep*ing nub trolls.

"and lvl 3 and lvl 5 unites counting as 2 soldiers."

Thanks for proving you're still an *beep*. Go back to the drawing room fgt.

Anyway obvious wannabe troll is *beep*ing obvious.

Wow, caught me in that very line and still kept getting baited by it. The lvl 3 untis count as 1 unit in the counts above. All of them do. I assume that this is your first era in VU, so I will remind you that it was not always like that. I know you are an argumentative *beep*, so I decided to just keep arguing against it to troll you; and you just kept on with it even after pointing out I was simply trying to troll you. Also, lvl 5 units do count as 2.

"Yes, I summarized that a bit. Mounted lvl 3 units count as 3 in the count, although some count a 2. I don't feel lake making a list."

That was obviously just to get a good response, totally made up. Also, be more specific next time; it's hard to tell if you even knew that lvl 5 unites counted as 2; wasn't sure what your argument was there.

I won't be affected this era either ;-)

lol 2 troops a tick are dying for me.

how about... no one is buying much food anymore? lol

the first time i've seen the plague..and i've been playing for a long time...it was very damaging...

falazar has always been a lame mass multier. grats