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Ok, i want to ask you all a simple question. What do YOU believe in? Darwinism, Neo-Darwinism, Puntcuated Equilimbrium? (Probably did not spell that right...) ect.... Everyone here is obveasly athiests...

Umm BELIEVE in? I'm not a scientist (meh, did gambling and addictions research for a year but it is boring, no doubt about that). More importantly I'm not a biologist or evolutionary researcher. One thing that stuck with me though is a certain state of mind. When I don't know something, I look it up; I don't just read something one day then "believe" it for the next decade without ever checking in again.

 "What do I believe?" That's a philosophical question, but "what would I say is true about how evolution works?" is a time when I hit the library and check in on research. I'm going to suppose that evolution is still holding together nicely since it would be in all the papers if someone had found a real problem with it yet lol, but I'm still not going to assume anything.

Actually, Ambro, I'm not athiest.  You could probably describe me best as progressive Christian, though I prefer to attend UU meetings because I can learn more about other ideologies that way.

And I do think evolution is, more or less, the way it life evolved.

If you think God created evolution then you're doing one of the worst things a believer can do. You remember how you once told me this stuff was a matter of faith? Well you are losing faith in what the bible says by trying to rationalize it to yourself. Evolution works and so you just up and decide that the bible is wrong and you know better because you are an informed human.

I tink God created evolution, but made us first...

See what I mean here? You can't just go around adding whatever and removing whatever else from what the bible says because you guys say it's the perfect word of God. If it needs changing then you have a much bigger problem than a person can solve by just waving their hand and saying "okok mr. scientist (lol, not our mr. scientist) you're right such and such is obviously true... Actually the bible says nothing about what I'm gonna say next but it's neat and makes sense too... what if...."

I find myself having a hard time getting my point out (maybe it's too early) but do you understand what I mean? To get straight to your quote I would say "The churches of the world don't give a F about what you think God did. They teach what God did and that's the end of it. If you don't believe that then you are bearing false witness and creating false idols." And you know what, if it were MY religion and the followers were running around spreading their own stuff that they added in I would be annoyed too because some people aren't smart enough to avoid screwing it up lol Luckily I don't have my own religion lol but I have heard the kind of quote I just said from believers many times in response to OTHER believers' opinions. Get what I mean?

Well, I was saying that the traditionalists are the ones who are quick to judge when some individual goes and starts saying the bible means whatever the heck they feel like saying it means =p I am fully aware of the fact that these things lose a lot in translation but some guy somewhere must have done a study suggesting that the bible was properly translated because now all the religious are saying "it has been checked, there is absolutely no difference."

Long story short I think I may have been misunderstood so:
I am not Catholic anymore (I was baptized but whatever)
I know the bible has been irreparably altered for digestion from the public and
I know that each sect of any given religion is incredibly different in their interpretations, hence "the infallible word of God" cannot, by definition, exist in that way.

Lol, trust me, I'm anything but a traditionalist Christian :D.

"The only culture of people I've ever met who REALLY tend to stick to their religion's values are Muslims."

Ooh yes! stick to the people who teach that to kill a CHRISTIAN is GOOD.

"Ok, i want to ask you all a simple question. What do YOU believe in? Darwinism, Neo-Darwinism, Puntcuated Equilimbrium? (Probably did not spell that right...) ect.... Everyone here is obveasly athiests..."

Yes yes. Dwarfism. Definitely Dwarfism 0.o

Arvious, I don't really see how you've made an understandable point either.

"but evolution can be found in many places, like cars, turning from absolute goop to a cool hybrid, and houses, from tents and mud houses to brick and metal houses..."

No, that's not evolution.  Evolution is a natural process.  Each of the examples you mentioned were specifically designed and created by humans and did not ever need to "survive" in the wild.

"I tink God created evolution, but made us first...

And if we were evolved from monkeys, why do some people, like me, hate bananas?"

So... there were humans around with the dinosaurs?  When fish were adapting to be able to crawl out of water to escape predators for the first time?  Or do you believe in a young earth theory, in which case evolution would have had to occur at millions of times faster than its current rate?

You don't like bananas because you have the luxery of not eating them.  If all you had to eat were bananas, trust me, you'd like them enough to eat them.  And anyway, monkey don't eat bananas exclusively, you know.

RACISM!?!

In all my years I have never heard someone call someone that...

I'm not a racist, because my previous posts say that God will still love you no mattter what you do so...

And I only scolded people that didn't get it when I told them the truth...

I do infact know what is said in their book, i have a sunday school teacher that has their book and has studied it. (dont ask me why...)

The reason we study other religions is so that we know how to deffend or oppose the acusastion against our faith. If we do not know about the persons religion, how in the world would we able to deffend ours, or oppose the religion?

Well Sorra.......I could say the same to you too you hippi loving, lets blow up children, terrorist sympathizer bastard ,but that would be mean and would hurt my point. Oh god....you just did that!

"Now that i look back and read it, it gives me a good chuckle."

I bet you chuckle when you fart, too.  Now please stay on topic here.

"The reason we study other religions is so that we know how to deffend or oppose the acusastion against our faith. If we do not know about the persons religion, how in the world would we able to deffend ours, or oppose the religion?"

Let me ask you this. How many Muslims have really tried to kill you because you were Christian?  Have you ever talked to any who would?  Do you know that all Muslims would, or just certain branches?  After all, there are Christian groups out there who still think like back in the Crusades and that killing infidels earns a seat in heaven.  Would you want everyone to assume all Christians wants all Muslims dead because they heard about a few Christians who do?

And Christianity isn't always the religion that's trying to defend itself.  Christians are told that worshipping Budda means worshipping idols, when I have never heard of any Buddhists attacking Christians for the same reason.