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Fantasia Era 48
01:45:07 Jul 26th 10 - Mr. Darkentel:

20:19:46 Jul 25th 10 - Mr. Tactical Nuclear Penguin:

Reply to Crissxcross's post and a general letter

"DOA:

We have plenty of our own inactives. We have people who don't their weight for the kingdom. They just log in once a day and do their own thing. We have some guys who have gone on long holidays, a couple who are already gone till the end of the era. Do we pull stunts and feed on them? Well, no. Don't know whether we ever will. But every time we see clowns from DOA pulling the stunts they do, you DOA guys wonder why the hell we (or I) get so angry and come here and complain."


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Oh I see wha you did ther, inactives and people long gone as an excuse to farm early in the era and then use them to cover up your farming for late era so you can bitch like a pussy when someone else complains....point the finger yada yada yada I have no idea where I am going with this...

*throws more gas into the room*


01:54:31 Jul 26th 10 - Clown Wankin Between Ticks:


02:49:43 Jul 26th 10 - Mr. Darkentel:

Oh man that sounds like my childhood very nice mr.clown thanks!


04:04:45 Jul 26th 10 - Mr. Tactical Nuclear Penguin:

07:41:46 Jul 26th 10 - Mr. Crissxcross:
Well to be honest I wonder if you could be funny anyway ^^

Well, to be honest, I don't think you would get my sense of humour anyway.

Typical TBL joke: "Hey guys, guess what. I am killing DOA AGAIN this era. Har har har."

Got the joke?

Thought so. :P


04:43:24 Jul 26th 10 - Mr. Petite Penois:

While we're all sharing jokes, I'll give it a go:


FEAR.


04:47:16 Jul 26th 10 - Mr. Tactical Nuclear Penguin:

Fail Everything And Retire.

Good joke *thumsb up*


05:57:00 Jul 26th 10 - Mr. Vuggy The Annoying Bastard:

@ Vuggy: They still haven't euthanised you yet? Hope your rot doesn't spread to the rest of your community.


That hurts my feelings. Since I got the crotch rot from FEAR, that's pretty hypocritical of you to say. I'm sure Fate is pretty mad that you didn't tell them before you slept with them.


07:33:46 Jul 26th 10 - Emperor Palpy Has New Toy Deathstar:


TBL, i first noticed you eras back when you were screaming about struddle casting plague and although i agreed with you i found your language over the top and somewhat ranting. era on era since(and i have had a break for a few) i see you in this thread complaining about  others in the same fashion. Now you may be right that raistlin is adolf hitler's brother, single handedly wiped out the dinosaurs AND is causing global warming...but seriously dude cut the language out.

This is SUPPOSED TO BE a moderated forum. This game's strength, unlike others, is its moderator forum, we have people from all races, creeds and religions and many different ages in this forum and i can't believe any adult(assumption on my part) would talke like that era on era over an online game.

cut the language and you may achieve the moral high ground you so seek.

i have never warred you, i like many fear players and played with them in different games for 3 years. i know very few in DOA and i know a couple in lulz.. but if your objective is for everyone to hate fear, even more than many do-you are doing a splendid job. You are also putting people off playing this game.


07:40:48 Jul 26th 10 - Mr. Crissxcross:

04:04:45 Jul 26th 10 - Mr. Tactical Nuclear Penguin:

04:47:16 Jul 26th 10 - Mr. Tactical Nuclear Penguin:


Good one,

But

Took it really that long ?

=P


07:49:18 Jul 26th 10 - Pirate Lewatha:

I don't really want to get involved in this, hence I won't write a page-long post as usual, but I'd like to point this out.

3. Mass-napping DOA / Lulz claims Fear and Fate mass-nap? ROTFLMAO! That's an 80 man kingdom right there..... especially when the DOA half had 44 players (and several multies) in it :)
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I personally, would not accuse you of mass-NAPing. (I don't know what happened in the past 4 era's though, but meh.). But let's be honest here, FATE and FEAR both have an excellent team, of mostly very good veteran players or very active newer players. In a one on one fight with any kingdom (with the same amount of players) there is no doubt you'd win. So I personally just see it as unfair that you guys would NAP. Sure, we have more players (although LULZ started with 18 players?) but you guys have more skilled/active players in general. Numbers are the only thing we're able to fight that with, so this era we did. And Aperantly it wasn't enough yet.

Too long didn't read version: The problem isn't you're NAP whores, the problem is you two are the best kingdoms atm. And when those NAP and prey on the weaker kingdoms, isn't it logical those would pull out every dirty trick in the book?

(just my personal opinion, I'm not a vice.)


08:21:07 Jul 26th 10 - Mr. Vuggy The Annoying Bastard:

I have not seen one post that says fear/fate "mass-NAP". They are merely stating you are the 2 strongest KD's and instead of fighting each other and maybe siding with smaller KD's and switching it up every era, you do the same thing every era, and noob it out behind each other.


08:22:35 Jul 26th 10 - Mr. Vuggy The Annoying Bastard:

My opinion is.. why don't fate and fear just freaking merge already? They're pretty much 95% a KD already, they're just hiding in 2 KD's to get the excuse to say "zomg doa has 44 members thats' no fiar yuo stoopid newbs!"


08:33:12 Jul 26th 10 - Mr. Tactical Nuclear Penguin:

@ Palpatine:

i) There were many previous posts from other players using similar language to mine. I do not see you calling them out. This shows you are trying to stir shit up on me, or biased to me. Not that it bothers me.

ii) On in the internet, everyone is either an adult or a kid, Superman or a retard. Feel free to consider me a kid and a retard if you don't like the crude way with which I speak my mind.

iii) I am not interested in getting the moral high ground in this game. The player population here (especially the kids and the wannabes) is way too shallow and limited in their mindset to even be able comprehend what is a "moral high ground" anyway. They are like lemmings too; someone says "Hey, they farm", they go "Hey, they farm". Someone says "Hey, they mass NAP", they go "Hey, they mass NAP." I won't waste my energy sugar coating my words on a player base like this.

Simple as that.


08:36:59 Jul 26th 10 - Mr. Tactical Nuclear Penguin:

@ Crissxcross:

Man, it took me about 2 hours to come up with a joke - I had to crack my head so hard. I even had to message Penguin to give me ideas about how to pull a funny :( Its hard being Penguin :(

@ Lewatha:

Nice post. Your points are noted.


09:20:21 Jul 26th 10 - Emperor Palpy Has New Toy Deathstar:


i have no idea of how you play the game because we have never fought but this is a MODERATED game and that is where its attraction lies....members who are now in Fear told me of this when i first joined the game and it was THE reason many of us came here.....many of the fear players such as my hubby Dooomhammer <3, Endless, Radioactive, jennaside, sexykool etc et al all came from the same game i did and the forum wars degenerated into such nastiness and language that the game numbers are now less than 1% of what they were. the forum shouters and screamers and those who used profanity destroyed the game FAR more than the cheaters did. People lose their cool and use language whatever, but you have been using it for eras now non-stop....as a long term player you should know better...i have no idea about these other people, who are more common in other threads than this one....but everyone sees TBL always talking about it using the same language which offends many, including myself, and we get tired of it in a MODERATED forum.

i ought know....i was quite often right in that other forum but i realised in being right and arguing with such passion- i helped destroy that game. i don't want to see the same thing happen to this game which has precious few players as it is.


09:39:25 Jul 26th 10 - Dreadlord Valarion:

DOA had the opportunity to end the fear/fate NAP this era, yet they didnt. Complaining about the outcome now is rather...well dumb.


10:03:27 Jul 26th 10 - Endless Dream:

well warbook didn't decline because of the forums and its doubtful vu will either considering you can ignore or report things you don't like, if the game is declining or its membership is declining  it could be because of game mechanic changes... which is more or less why warbook died imo


flaming is half the fun :D


10:34:34 Jul 26th 10 - Emperor Palpy Has New Toy Deathstar:

nah the biggest decline was way before mechanics changed in the game....half the people i have on skype who left wb told me the same thing...it was the forums that drove them away...only later did the remnants abandon it after TJ's stunts and the appearance of the game mods etc.


ps Down with TZU! oops i mean fate/fear...easy to get the games confused.

but craig and my antics , then ryan and i, then ryan and owen etc drove the majority of the people from the game. the games chnges came in  with less than 50,000 people playing(including multis) where there were 300,000 before and now just a few thousand.


10:59:45 Jul 26th 10 - Endless Dream:

hmm my middle name needs to be changed to oblivious, I totally missed that as the reason^^


14:21:32 Jul 26th 10 - Sir Butters:

He's right, that's pretty much the reason 90% of the ppl I knew left...

On a side not

STARCRAFT 2 is out!!!!!


14:48:34 Jul 26th 10 - Emperor Palpy Has New Toy Deathstar:

Dang! Not till tomorrow night at 2am here....stooopid russia grrr.....and my girl arrives for a month tomorrow which is definitely going to cramp any chance to purchase the game...but i can play vu at work at least!


19:41:01 Jul 26th 10 - Mr. Scipio:

I am glad for the forums, that they exist and provide the means to extend game/player interaction is as well as educate some of us Nub's is, imo, a good thing.

Calling a spade a spade is also a good thing, the ability to voice ones opinion based on their understanding and/or perspective is, I feel, everyones right, irrespective of wether the individual is right or wrong in their opinion - they might be opinionated, biased, wrong or possibly even right but I see no reason to use any of that as an excuse for a lot of the silly name calling I see flying about the place and which in all honesty I find rather ignorant, immature and very off-putting - the most that should imho happen if at all anyone is bothered by someone elses opinion - wrong, biased or otherwise - is voice theirs ,objectively (or in other words in as mature a way as possible)
... or let it ride.

This is a game I find rather interesting, one that the developer has put a lot of man hours and thought into, and one with quite a few genuinely competitive people some of whom seek the glory of a win through understanding the game engine, politics, diplomacy and the combination of this knowledge into producing and leading a strong kd that is capable of producing the required outcomes - and the few who try to win the game how-so-ever they can even through the use of methods not catered for directly via the game engine
...to the latter I ask, what makes you tick !!? - and if/when you win using such tactics do you really feel gratified by your win !!?
... I sure don't feel keen playing against the latter type of folk so if I leave because of you - as many others like me will - I hope you will enjoy your future era wins playing with yourself - if you don't realise it now I'll do you a favour by letting you know - you are losers.

With regards to the other ways and methods people use in-game to gain an advantage ie feeding of their inactives and such-like that many make so much noise about, Perhaps it would be a good idea for some of the learned and longer-term players to out their heads together and come up with some commandments or better still, methods that deal with these issues - possibly something that can even be encoded into the game to assist it's evolution if the developer considers it worthwhile - a good games evolution is generally lead by a combination of where the game designer wants to go with his/her game but more so its player base once the designer/developer has done most of his/her initial groundwork.

Personally, I feel that any kd leader(s) should be able to make the best decision they feel most benefits their kd while at the same time trying to be fair to all within and therby encourage members to return as well as pull in new members,
... he/she/they lay down the law and govern their kd to the best of their ability - at the end of the day a kd's successes down the line is not based on one era but several and if they have less of a turnout in the coming eras they will either get to know where they've gone wrong or will fall by the wayside - the wisest bit of knowledge I have for kd leaders is know your place - you are but a servant of the people within your kd and will only thrive if you serve well.

Sorry for the long post, I have mostly only posted on here asking for assistance, please consider this as being an attempt at giving something back - and please, should you feel inclined to do so - don't take any of what I have said poisonally, my intentions here are purely an attempt at being constructive and my opinions totally subjective, or at least that is what was intended.


19:50:54 Jul 26th 10 - Mr. Petite Penois:

I quit VU for the reasons Palpy disclosed. There is too much insulting on the forums. :(((


20:03:22 Jul 26th 10 - Mr. Barny:

Good, you weren't really wanted here anyways.


20:18:33 Jul 26th 10 - Mr. Danygraig:

stay off the forums then you dont need them to play the game its were the whiners and kids come to wind each other up and force them into making ingame mistakes by attacking either too soon or too late. you could try a chat agent to chat to ppl you like chatting about the game with , i dont see how you can hate a game for the messages in its forum as the forum is not really part of the game play is unbelievable. 


20:30:50 Jul 26th 10 - Mr. Scipio:

I agree with Mr Dannygraig to an extent but game politics is an integral part of the game as is the knowledge shared and accesible to all via the forums
Quitting is just another win for the ignorants and uncouth individuals, better to assist by educating and therby have less ignorants in the game and encourage sportsmanship, not quit which just kills off the game for everyone - just what the few sad and foul mouthed individuals are happy for to happen - better to just ignore the few..


20:51:59 Jul 26th 10 - Emperor Palpy Has New Toy Deathstar:

danygraig,


i have used forums to great effect many a time and you know this...they can be used to your advantage with propaganda and spin...but who can forget the other forum, where people's real life emails were posted, one guy rang and called another person's work to complain about him and fake profiles were created just to offend people with vulgar names....as well as reference to people's real lives etc. This IS a moderated forum which should make all the difference....by all means let the insults fly but let there be some wit about it and not just general vulgarity that is offputting....and we need not talk about  people's personal lives, whether they live in basements, whether they have a life outside vu, whether they can get laid etc et al. it just isn't needed..


21:07:48 Jul 26th 10 - Mr. Danygraig:

well agree but not the part about the sex life that is fun lol and none in here should ever give out personal details of were they live exactly and work that is asking for trouble and rule1 of what not to do. and yes you did use forums to great effect and also got you many enemies i am not 1 of them as i did not see you in the forums then and know you for you and not flame person on forum. 


21:36:02 Jul 26th 10 - Mr. Bling Fcukers:

if you are retarded enough to want to ruin someones real life for the sake of a 1.4 inch dot on the screen,,,, you got bigger issues ! now shut up and stop whining fecking feggets! play the game and die the way you meant to! bunch of wenking weirdo's


01:16:39 Jul 27th 10 - Mr. Ignis The Dark:

hallujah man tell them bling


02:08:17 Jul 27th 10 - Mr. Tasty After Dinner Mint:

These forums have ALWAYS been full of flames and these days they are very mild compared to the past. Suggesting that one or two modern day 'poster's are killing the game is incorrect.

The last few eras of changes are easily the biggest factor in making people lose interest.


03:02:50 Jul 27th 10 - Mr. Vencrow:

@'Lewatha: And when those NAP and prey on the weaker kingdoms'

Calling DOA a weaker kingdom. big compliment! <3

@Vuggy: My opinion is.. why don't fate and fear just freaking merge already? They're pretty much 95% a KD already, they're just hiding in 2 KD's to get the excuse to say "zomg doa has 44 members thats' no fiar yuo stoopid newbs!"

Why doesn't entire VU merge.. like Good vs Evil? Dum dum dum.. Maybe if you tried acting nice.. people would somehow like your stupid ass and join you to go against " omg evil Fear/Fate alliance!"   Fart would be a nice kingdom name if we did merge.



If VU was a world war. You always got Team 1 vs. Team 2.. You try to get as many as possible to get the upper hand. DoA tried to win by getting their numbers up.. and i don't blame em for it. I haven't seen any dirty tricks myself from their side.. but if its true what has been said about it.. i would be dissapointed in DoA. I know they can put up a good fight without them..


03:57:43 Jul 27th 10 - Dr. Evil Smevil:

I agree with Tasty After Dinner Mint.  The changes to the game over the last handful of eras have made many old time players stop playing.  For most it's not the forums.

That does not mean the changes are all bad.  Just that many old players liked the game the way it was.


04:27:37 Jul 27th 10 - Emperor Palpy Has New Toy Deathstar:

wow you guys like to talk in absolutes. Yeah some people have left due to changes, others have real life chnges and can't play anymore...others play a game for a while and others CAN lose interest due to constant flaming and drama. this is true of every game. BUT this is a MODERATED forum which is a point of difference( ie selling point) and really i think those who are "veterans" of the game are somewhat more accountable and desire the games' success. I have been nothing but polite, I am not leading some conspiracy against TBL or anyone else...and he has ignored my advice, as just an ordinary player, to tone it down for the interest of the game...because i have seen what has happened in more than one other game(and not just games but other forums as well).People might even listen to what he says more(ie better to get a point across) if the language was toned down. If you can't send an ingame message without the Beep affecting what you say...why is such language allowed on forums warned automatically before they are posting. keep the insults fun, without prfanity, and without being personal and the flames can continue. Otherwise mods should step in to give some people a forum holiday.


04:36:54 Jul 27th 10 - Endless Dream:

Otherwise mods should step in to give some people a forum holiday.<<<<
thats what the report button is for Palpy


the Mods dont really step in unless someone asks them too and even then it doesn't guarantee them the result they might want :D

*reports Palpy just for sh*ts n giggles* ^_^


04:54:10 Jul 27th 10 - Emperor Palpy Has New Toy Deathstar:

00:51:04: Endless Dream of FEAR has banned and spanked you. Now behave! 


06:32:45 Jul 27th 10 - Dr. Evil Smevil:

Endless don't be pissing Ceiling Cat off or he might get you  :P


06:45:59 Jul 27th 10 - Endless Dream:

Evil<<<<Endless Dream of FEAR has banned and spanked you. Now behave! 


You two are just trying to get me in trouble now, teh cat should play with you guys for that>>pushes report button again

sad.. Fant is soooooooooooo slow we're spamming crap on this thread now instead of good or funny or even lame flames


07:09:49 Jul 27th 10 - Dr. Evil Smevil:

NOoooooooooooooooooooooooo  teh Cat likes me.  :P

yes it is sad.  time to find some of your scouts and spank them instead :)


07:12:42 Jul 27th 10 - Mr. Vuggy The Annoying Bastard:

It's sad because you're all on Fantasia! That's not where the party's at!


08:32:34 Jul 27th 10 - Dr. Evil Smevil:

Annoying Bastard :P


08:46:37 Jul 27th 10 - Sir Biffy Clyroheran:

to be fair it has been a while since I saw a decent flame to talk about. lets just move on


11:49:50 Jul 27th 10 - Mr. Glad The Bloody:

Palpy, you don't know the past of these forums. TBL is a gentleman amongst flamers; and without some 'discrete flaming' these forums would be too boring.

So let's thank DOA and Fear players for their discrete arguing.


11:50:51 Jul 27th 10 - Lord Canucks:

who agrees with the annoying one?


12:53:26 Jul 27th 10 - Chancellor Vicious Hunkalicious:

If the public forum is such a problem and making people quit, then perhaps those people would be better served not reading them? I've actually found it quite refreshing to not get involved in the standard forum flames and bs that goes on.


If you don't like it, simply don't read it - It really is that easy.


13:37:48 Jul 27th 10 - Emperor Palpy Has New Toy Deathstar:


what i do find amusing is when i criticize a certain player who ought no better, many of those who have said the same as i, rush to his defence. 

it is called a moderated forum for a reason and people have the right to come here and discuss things without seeing all the rubbish hurled that no moderated forum would actually allow. An argument that some do it so others can or that you don't have to read it is hardly suffice.


13:49:42 Jul 27th 10 - Emperor Palpy Has New Toy Deathstar:

Anyway I don't need further debate on it. I decided to report the player in question instead. Self moderation is generally better , though


14:00:23 Jul 27th 10 - Mr. Vencrow:

You sound like a typical momma's boy. when you get yelled at by someone or someone is calling you names you probably always went to your mommy saying 'MOMMY HE SAID THE F WORD! AND HE CALLED ME A M FER AND ALL THAT FOUL STUFF, MY EARS ARE BLEEDING!'

Get used to it. in a war game not everyone will talk to their foes as if they want to make love instead.


15:51:47 Jul 27th 10 - Emperor Palpy Has New Toy Deathstar:

no but i am someone who respects people's religious convictions, race and sexual orientation. please feel free to criticize my gameplay but not comment on my personal life.


15:59:12 Jul 27th 10 - Mr. Radioactive:

Internet ... Home of sarcasm , flames and sick jokes :P , if you cant handle .. GTFO :D


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