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|13:26:38 Dec 31st 08 - Mr. Xpiff:|
Looks like the blood shed in the region will never stop...
|13:27:53 Dec 31st 08 - Mr. Ptah:|
Israel is ftw
|14:31:42 Dec 31st 08 - Sir Spoon:|
Israel is hardcore
|15:30:37 Dec 31st 08 - Mr. Messiah:|
Gaza is the worlds biggest prison. The siege on Gaza is illigal in the first place, and any rockets sent into land that legally belong to the Palestinians - even if its targeting civilians - is a legal action as per the Genevé convention. Israels response however goes against all international conventions. The only way to end the bloodshed is for Israel to withdraw from all occupied territories. But I dont see that happening, instead they are annexing more and more land for every year that goes forcing more and more Palestinians into refugee camps. Atm there is just one of two things a Palestinian can look to become in his life, victim or martyr.
|16:08:43 Dec 31st 08 - Mr. Blood Frenzy:|
lol both sides are to blame, this is merely a repeat of Israels past, and quite frankly I cant say I care a great deal about what goes on half a world away...I knw I should but theres just so many people suffering in so many places I really dont giv a sht anymore rofl.
|16:37:58 Dec 31st 08 - Mr. Barney:|
I agree with Messiah. The Isrealli responses to Hamas activities in the region are completely uncalled for. Isreal is frequently overacting to things like this with attacks that result in huge numbers of civilian casualties.
|16:42:53 Dec 31st 08 - Mr. Electric:|
You guys apparently don't study your history.ISRAEL USED TO BE 3 TIMES AS BIG!!
|16:58:40 Dec 31st 08 - Mr. Ben the Fat halfer:|
VIVA LA PALESTINE ^_^
|17:14:37 Dec 31st 08 - Sir Spoon:|
ITS NOT 2009 YET FFS! :(
|18:06:30 Dec 31st 08 - Prince Valan Septim:|
You don't mess with the Zohan!!!
That was a terrible movie! Don't watch it! Made me die a little inside!!!!
|18:13:02 Dec 31st 08 - Prince Valan Septim:|
Wait a minute! ZOMG! Avenge the border guard!!!
*Septim sees Shezmu run into the conflict...
|18:43:04 Dec 31st 08 - Sir Caradoc:|
it seems to me that no one knows anything about the real reason they are fighting and have been for the longest time. you can see that clearly Israel looks like the bad guys but in fact they really are not. the palistiens have placed multpile huge attacks on Israel way before this. their has been more deaths than this from Isreal than in Gaza. trust me, look up the real facts. you guys are only looking at a small portion of time right here. 4 days is nothing compared to all the lives lost in 4 years... study the bible maybe for a few weeks and you could easily find out the whole reason Israel is fighting. iv heard about 15 minutes a day is you are slow you can read it in a year.
|18:56:22 Dec 31st 08 - Mr. Barney:|
it seems to me that no one knows anything about the real reason they
are fighting and have been for the longest time. you can see that
clearly Israel looks like the bad guys but in fact they really are not.
the palistiens have placed multpile huge attacks on Israel way before
this. their has been more deaths than this from Isreal than in Gaza.
trust me, look up the real facts. you guys are only looking at a small
portion of time right here. 4 days is nothing compared to all the lives
lost in 4 years... study the bible maybe for a few weeks and you could
easily find out the whole reason Israel is fighting. iv heard about 15
minutes a day is you are slow you can read it in a year.
|19:25:30 Dec 31st 08 - Mr. Erebus:|
the Israeli army has killed almost 400 people in that area in 5 days. That's almost 100 people a day. They've also wounded 1000+ people.
Well they're not going to win most fearsome ruler...
sorry had to do it xD
|19:33:45 Dec 31st 08 - Dark Lord Finwe:|
caradoc i think it might be you who doenst know history. a book is no cause to invade a country. if you looked up the real facts you would know how the current state of isreal was created and whats its borders are supposed to be.
|20:15:36 Dec 31st 08 - Prince Valan Septim:|
|20:35:41 Dec 31st 08 - Mr. Trapani:|
It would appear the message is don't mess with Israel.
|20:39:23 Dec 31st 08 - Dark Lord Finwe:|
i would think the msg is WE ARE STILL SCARY (untill obama withdraws some of the american support and we calm down a lil)
|21:04:09 Dec 31st 08 - Mr. Sorra:|
That 2.5 billion dollars we give to them in Military Aid every month can be better used else where or even here at home.
|00:45:14 Jan 1st 09 - Duke Michael Deallus:|
Just let them kill each other if they want to. If they had any sense they would stop and agree on something. I am tired of hearing about them fighting forever and ever. Caradoc, I read the Bible and I still don't see a reason for war. I doubt "God" would want everyone killing each other off in His name.
[[lets not start a religious debate either]]
|22:01:22 Jan 3rd 09 - Mr. Makedon:|
heh, there used to be a Palestinian state also....
|22:14:11 Jan 3rd 09 - Sir Hirgon Sadron:|
Keep in mind that the modern nation of Israel was created in the mid-20th century. Also, don't forget that the borders and governments of most of the nations in western Asia and northern Africa were drawn and created in the 20th century, as well.
|23:38:02 Jan 3rd 09 - Sir Ryan The Quiet:|
Messiah you couldnt be more wrong, al jazeera had an expert on international law on and he basically said that Israel had the right to defend itself from the rocket attacks.
|23:39:21 Jan 3rd 09 - Sir Ryan The Quiet:|
funny how it cuts off once they figure out that he isnt gonna help their cause.
|12:08:31 Jan 4th 09 - Sir Wilberforce Pwner:|
Thats bull, I disagree with him completely.
|13:02:55 Jan 4th 09 - Mr. Sorra:|
My entire life I have been taught to stand up for my beliefs, to be a person of high morals and ethics. That's why I feel obligated to proscribe Israel the most dangerous enemies to people. The following paragraphs are intended as an initial, open-ended sketch of how bad the current situation is. Aside from the fact that Israel's arguments don't even prove its point, Israel's attempts to welsh on all classes of agreements are much worse than mere ethnocentrism. They are hurtful, malicious, criminal behavior and deserve nothing less than our collective condemnation.
I've seen alot of sad things like AIDS and Poverty. But I've also heard of great things like nonviolence, higher moralities, and treating all beings as ends in and of themselves—ideas which Israel's ignorant, unthinking, unholy brain is too small to understand. Israel insists that might makes right. How can it be so blind? Very easily. Basically, Israel wants to reinforce the concept of collective guilt(on the arabs, and to an extent, to the Germans and other countries Allied to Hitler) that is the root of all prejudice. Such intolerance is felt by all people, from every background.
We all need to be aware of each other's existence as intelligent,
feeling, human beings, even if some of us are uneducated, confused
dips. Israel maintains that it understands the difference between
civilization and savagery. This is hardly the case. Rather, there is
growing evidence that says, to the contrary, that its plan is to commit
confrontational, in-your-face acts of violence(not only against the gazans but against the rest of the arab and muslim world) intimidation. Israel's illigal settlers are moving at a frightening pace toward the
total implementation of that agenda, which includes giving rise to the
most jackbooted abuse of sovernty and human rghts I've ever seen. I really can't stress
this enough, but Israel thinks it's good stratagy to starve and bomb the palstinians into subbmission to achieve ever lasting peace. All this is done while they continue to complain on how Hamas, Iran,Hezbllah and such are the problem and will one day be ready to strike at your front door.
It is difficult to know how to respond to such monumentally misplaced opinions, but let's try this: No one likes being attacked by evil doomsday terrorists. Even worse, Israel exploits our fear of those attacks, which it claims will evolve any day now into biological, chemical, or nuclear attacks as a pretext to cover and excuse the atrocities of its followers. If you think that's scary, then you should remember that Israel has already begun causing mass chaos in the streets of gaza under those same pretextes. I wish I were joking but I'm not.
Many people respond to Israel's coldhearted equivocations in the same
way that they respond to television dramas. They watch them; they criticize them; but they feel no overwhelming compulsion to do anything
about them. That's why I insist we suggest the kind of politics and
policies that are needed to restore good sense to this important debate and force both sides to the negotiating table.
What's more, statements like, "The people with the smallest minds
always have the biggest guns" accurately express the feelings of most
of the people in the region (other then israel) towards israel. The goal must now be to replace today's chaos and lack of
vision with order and a supreme sense of purpose. If you believe that
that's a worthwhile goal, then I can unequivocally believe you have a kind and pure heart
Long live peace.
|15:36:17 Jan 4th 09 - Mr. Blood Frenzy:|
this isnt our war to meddle in, and as I've already said, BOTH sides are to blame, BOTH sides have done wrong. You cant just blame gaza, you cant just blame israel, you have to blame them both. Just take away support for both sides, and let them fight it out on their own. They both hate eachother and israel is doing what any other nation would in a situation with a neighbor who:
At least israel isnt actually TARGETING the enemy civilians. There's no doubt that israel did and does have to act in a war-like manor but it just simply wasnt handled very well. They should have been much more discrete, and much more careful. But as I've already said, I dont really care what goes on half a world away...
|16:20:26 Jan 4th 09 - Sir Wilberforce Pwner:|
But as I've already said, I dont really care what goes on half a world away...
|18:25:48 Jan 4th 09 - Mr. Blood Frenzy:|
no it just simply doesnt affect me, its not our business how ever much we hear about it we still wont have the true story, im not sympathetic to people ive never even seen before, and this crud is CONSTANTLY on the news!! Since when was war so unusual? Cmon theres always at least ONE war somewhere so why the hell is this one so spectacular?
|19:00:51 Jan 4th 09 - Mr. Sloth:|
Who cares if its 4 deaths vs 500? If anyone launches an offensive weapon into my country, I say pound the *beep* out of them, they deserve it. It's war not "happy fun time, you kill one I kill one". And the Gazans have every right to respond in kind as well.
|19:01:28 Jan 4th 09 - Duke Michael Deallus:|
An eye for an eye leaves everyone blind.
|19:23:38 Jan 4th 09 - Mr. Blood Frenzy:|
unless you steal someone elses eye
|19:24:18 Jan 4th 09 - Duke Michael Deallus:|
In which case you will be a Mr. Potato Head like Michael Jackson...
|00:42:41 Jan 5th 09 - Mr. Sorra:|
Just to let you all know, Palestinians have been calling for UN troops to be stationed in between them for years.
|03:40:26 Jan 5th 09 - Mr. Eros The Pimp:|
Sorra, you dont have a clue. The "legal" state of Israel was declared in a territory under British rule. It was recognised throughout the world as being legitimate, except for Iran. Iran have financed Syria over many years to make attacks, expanding their financial "support" to Hamas, a global terror group which dwarfs Al Quida's abilities, as well as Egypt (note constant Egyptian raids and attacks over the years)
When the PLO moved from being a terror group to a internationally recognised political party, splinters within the group ensured the "war" would continue. The state of Israel, the ONLY democratic country in the region, has been at war to protect its democracy from day one. I dont agree with the violence, but considering it is the oldest family feud in the world, who will stop it. Do you think, for one minute, that Obama is going to withdraw support to a Democratic nation, in the hopes that maybe Iran will do the same? Not in our lifetimes. That war is a blood feud, and no one will end it.
|18:58:44 Jan 5th 09 - Mr. Wulfgar Skullsplitter:|
|18:59:46 Jan 5th 09 - Mr. Wulfgar Skullsplitter:|
Hmmm...that copy and paste thingy didn't turn out right. Whoops
|20:31:34 Jan 5th 09 - Mr. Electric:|
Ok.Anyone who thinks Israel is a bunch of *beep*s, think again.You ain't in the line of random rockets smashing up your city every day are you?
|20:43:02 Jan 5th 09 - Sir Hirgon Sadron:|
And you, my good man, are not being oppressed by the "last bastard child of western imperialism."
|21:28:48 Jan 5th 09 - Mr. Lamalas:|
Don't tell me about it, i served in Irak for 3 months a year ago, i've seen some horrible things there.
|16:56:59 Jan 6th 09 - Duke Akenad:|
I think Israel's ideology is "the best defense is a strong offense."
|17:13:58 Jan 6th 09 - Mr. Ptah:|
|17:20:00 Jan 6th 09 - Mr. Gingerbread Man:|
actually...he said he served in Iraq a year ago, not 3 months, that was the length of his stay...
|18:57:25 Jan 6th 09 - Mr. Blood Frenzy:|
lol how does going to Iraq mean you learn to spell it? Thats bs, you dont join the army to get spelling lessons geez...
|11:22:03 Jan 7th 09 - Mr. Sorra:|
What started this latest conflict...
|11:24:14 Jan 7th 09 - Mr. Sorra:|
The doctor from Norway again,speaking on whats happening
|15:14:28 Jan 7th 09 - Mr. Blood Frenzy:|
theyre not trying to hit civilians sorra, its jus an unfortunate side-effect of the war. Palestine is one of the most crowded countries per square kilometre in the world so ur bound to hit innocents when trying to bomb the targets. And simply because palestine hasnt got powerful weapons doesnt mean theyre in the right and dont deserve any kind of punishment. The fact is, if palestine managed to get their hands on a nuke be sure that it would head straight for Israel without even a second thought. Its a bit like having a new neighbor moving in the house next door and then hitting your stone fence dividing the two back gardens with a baseball bat. Now its annoying but nothing too bad, it just makes noise and creates a slight dent in the other side of the wall. Then the next day he starts throwing bricks over the fence, which now keeps you out of your garden, and endangers everything in it. The next day, he starts getting ready to throw petrol bombs which threaten to catch fire to the house itself, which is where you draw the line. Now you phone the police and get him forcefully evicted from his house and now your property is safe. Although there are differences in a rl war, this is basically the concept of it. Israel being the one who calls in the police (its army). And in Israels oppinion, theyre much better off having the palestinions killed than the israelis. Because thats basically the decision they had to make, have the palestinions killed, or let the palestinions kill israelis. And obviously, being goverment of Israel, if they took no action I doubt they'd be voted back in at the next election.
|21:56:07 Jan 7th 09 - Mr. Ben the Fat halfer:|
theyre not trying to hit civilians sorra, its jus an unfortunate side-effect of the war.
|21:58:46 Jan 7th 09 - Sir Pesterd:|
You people are fools the arabs ae purposely trying to gain sympathy by placing thier bombs inside their own villages and blaming israel for bombing innocent civilians
|22:02:04 Jan 7th 09 - Mr. Gingerbread Man:|
The Franco-Egyptian plan was given increasing urgency by the Israeli mortar strike near a U.N. school that killed 39 Palestinians and stained the streets with blood.
The United Nations said the school was sheltering hundreds of people displaced by the onslaught on Hamas militants. Israel said its troops returned fire on a Hamas squad that fired mortars at them from nearby.
Israel's military said its shelling — the deadliest single episode since Israeli ground forces invaded Gaza on Saturday following a weeklong air bombardment — was an attack on a military target and accused Hamas militants of using civilians as cover.
Christopher Gunness of the U.N. Relief and Works Agency, responsible for the school, said the agency is "99.9 percent certain there were no militants or military activity in its school."
That would not necessarily contradict Israel's claim that the militants were just outside.
Gunness demanded an investigation, and punishment for anyone found to have violated international law.
Two residents of the area who spoke with The Associated Press by
telephone said they saw a small group of militants firing mortar rounds
from a street near the school. They spoke on condition of anonymity for
fear of reprisal. Gunness said 1,300 people were taking shelter from
the shelling at the school.
Oops, gotta stink when the residents even fess up that the ones being targeted were the ones firing mortars right next to 'em lol
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