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If the almighty being can't handle a joke about themself, what does that say about him or her?  Especially if the joke is meant with amusing, not malicious, intent?  It doesn't matter if God is omnipotent or grown up, it's still childlike behavior.

Besides, I'm sure if God is up there, he cracks human jokes all the time :)

sakaal , how did you put number 2 , in roman near your name , i know if you name an army as same name , it will happen , but i donno in names

And thats also why.

I call you Mohammad Beidas, because you said it was your real name.

Are you guys still argueing about religeon? Why? People have been arguing for thousands of years, why bother continueing it here?
PS My God is better than yours! (or your ideals if you're atheist)

Yes we are arguing about religion.

People have made songs about love for thousands of years, and for some reason they still bother writing new ones. So the question is why not argue about religion, Dakarius? I consider it more fun arguing about religion than arguing about what to argue about for example.

Please elaborate why your God is better and join the argument!

My god is the god of the christians, jews and muslims/
Reasons why my god is the best:
- I believe in him (I use him not meaning male but I'm sure you get my meaning)
- He is merciful
- He is omniscient, omnipotent, omnipresent and any other omni you care to name.
- He created the universe (and what a lovley place it is)
- He offers eternal life
I have more ^^

Nice. How does the mercifulness of God show in your everyday life? And I mean the mercifulness of him and not the mercifulness of any people.

Many parts of the universe are quite lovely indeed. On the other hand there are times and places I'd rather avoid that are not so lovely. For example the Twin Towers on their final day. Maybe God created that event just to provide some contrast so that it is easier for me to understand how lucky I am not being there at that particular time.

I hope he can also offer something to do and keep me active over the eternity. And I wish only interesting people get to live for eternity especially if I'm supposed to live together with all the other folks who have been offered an eternal life. Otherwise I'd rather die normally thank you. But not prematurely. I will live my life first and only die after I get bored with it.

Omnia mutantur, nos et mutamur in illis.

See, it's much more fun when we can argue instead of just watching empty threads?

Lots of post since last time I've logged on!

In the beginning God created the heavens and the Earth. And the Earth
was without form, and void, and darkness was upon the face of the deep.

And Satan said, "It doesn't get any better than this."

And God said, "Let there be light," and there was light.

And God said, "Let the earth bring forth grass, the herb yielding seed,
and the fruit tree yielding fruit," and God saw that it was good.

And Satan said, "There goes the neighborhood."

And God said, "Let us make Man in our image, after our likeness, and let
them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the
air and over the cattle, and over all the Earth, and over every creeping
thing that creepeth upon the Earth." And so God created Man in his own
image; male and female created he them. And God looked upon Man and
Woman and saw that they were lean and fit.

And Satan said, "I know how I can get back in this game."

And God populated the earth with broccoli and cauliflower and spinach,
green and yellow vegetables of all kinds, so Man and Woman would live
long and healthy lives.

And Satan created McDonald's. And McDonald's brought forth the 99-cent
double cheeseburger.

And Satan said to Man, "You want fries with that?"

And Man said, "Supersize them." And Man gained 5 pounds.

And God created the healthful yoghurt, that woman might keep her
figure that man found so fair.

And Satan brought forth chocolate. And Woman gained 5 pounds.

And God said, "Try my crispy fresh salad."

And Satan brought forth Ben and Jerry's. And Woman gained 10 pounds.

And God said, "I have sent thee heart-healthy vegetables and olive oil
with which to cook them."

And Satan brought forth chicken-fried steak so big it needed its own
platter.

And Man gained 10 pounds and his bad cholesterol went through the roof.

And God brought forth running shoes and Man resolved to lose those extra
pounds.

And Satan brought forth cable TV with remote control so Man would not
have to toil to change channels between ESPN and ESPN2.

And Man gained another 20 pounds.

And God said, "You're running up the score, Devil." And God brought
forth the potato, a vegetable naturally low in fat and brimming with
nutrition.

And Satan peeled off the healthful skin and sliced the starchy center
into chips and deep-fat fried them. And he created sour cream dip also.

And Man clutched his remote control and ate the potato chips swaddled in
cholesterol. And Satan saw and said, "It is good."

And Man went into cardiac arrest.

And God sighed and created quadruple bypass surgery.

And Satan created HMO's.

The Documentary..Trap : What happend to our dreams of Freedom

 explains everything pretty ok for me :D

well maybe your joke is stupid , but it gave me some meanings , like

see how it's easy to not obby god , and see how it's hard to obby , that's what devil is doing with you atheist .

Mr. Prince of Darkness Report 7/29/2007 7:20:55 AM

@ sakaal , you said good things , but god give bads and give goods , we muslims belive in six things , number six is the destiny the good and the bad , cuz they both come from god , and when you got a good , you must thank , and when you got the bad , you must thank , and be patiant , see god give people in even , example , you maybe find boys their parents are rich , but they don't have good marks in school , in the other side , there are boys their parents are poor , but they are good at school , god give us in even , cuz as i tell , we aqre same in sight of god till the judgment day . @ paraclus , ( excuse me on your name ) , i worship the real god , not a fake one , how easy you can imagine that you grow up and get out of university and start working and have alot of money , i just write , but i didn't do it , AND , he never tell us to go kill in the streets , you got my relegion in wrong sight , he only ordered us to defend ourselves , and history confiss on that , mohamad didn't order to do any attack though the enemies throw them out their own houses , and every battle had a reason , a big one , like the romans killed the messanger man was send from mohamad , i mean nobodies do that , and like attacking with a peace agreement between two ,

Explain to me the Two Towers? Terrorest? Yall think that your Religion should be the only religion in the world, and if all the people don't bow down to your god you kill them... look budie, I know people who studie the korian better then you do, my own brother studied it and saw how terrible your religion is, its sick.

And second of all, your religion bassed alot of its principles on The Bible.

Your "Prophets" even took stories out of the bible. And twisted them to fit your Korian.

AND , he never tell us to go kill in the streets , you got my relegion in wrong sight , he only ordered us to defend ourselves

It states qwite spicifecly that he did tell you to kill people who don't bow down to your god.

OMG and defending ...streets?
are your telling me 'muslims' are killing innocent Soldiers?

what ?

and yea we don't kill chrtions , you may ask orthodox people , how we treated them better than romans did , they say that it's fact they don't have place in our countries , but at least it's better than romans ,

when muslims opened demascus , and romans started to go on beaches and attack , muslims returned to chrtions their money which they took to defend them , cuz muslims didn't know if they have ability to defend them ,

when omar opened jerusalem in peace , the time of pray came , and omar asked the priest of jerusalem to find him good place to pray , so the priest said , come pray in the church , oamr said , i would , but i fear muslims take the church in future , and say that oamr prayed here

lol koran and bible the same , talk of god isnot same as 4 people write ,  the thing give evidence that the bible is wrong that four people wrote it , the copies are not the same , and may say things more and more ,

god said : " the man who belive in god as three is a kafer , and ther is only one god  " god is always truly say

as you chrtion say , father , son , holy spirit

god said : " they didn't put him on the cross , and they didn't kill him , that was the man who look like him , jesus was left into heavens " god is always truly say

so jesus didn't made the secrfise that give you paradise if you just say you are guilty ,

oh pop i just killed 130 man , and i will be killing 280 tommorrow , forgive me , oh your forgiven ,

jesus didn't die , cuz he must return lead muslims against the fake jesus , and then die

god said : " and a brother hood they creat , we didn't order them , who won from them who belive in me  " . god is always truly say

yea , i forgot " who belive in me " just before mohamad come , so now you didn't win

it's true that the first man who told mohamad he is a prophet was a chrtion , but i never forget that chrtions came in night of mohamad born , to take alkiaba off , and to take mohamad neck ( or every new baby in mecca )

well at least we have faith true one , we don't make wars for lands as you crusade boy , we even don't start it , all our problems came from you , britain brough jews to my lands ,

fuke two towers , don't you people who said that a man life is better than all things on earth ,

1 man =/= two towers

mohammad said about god : " the universe is gone is better for god than killing one true faithfull ,

and as i said

bug wing = the universe

but bug wing =/= one faithfull , cuz the killing one faithfull=/= universe ,

you people invented the guns , tanks , and you invent the nucler power ,

and we have the petrol in our lands so we don't need wars

as i said leave us alone , at least argument when your right , not when your wrong ,

arabic phase " if you didn't know well that is a problem , but if you know that is a bigger problem "

cuz you know and turn your face

I could hardly undertand half of what your read and the stuff that I could undertand was quite lame.

yep there are also some atheists here who are probably being hated bye there fellow believers and they come and take their frustation on the muslims. :P

lol i did read them now...

i would have to gues self image problems? Feel like you dont belong anywhere:p..
You are a extremeist yourself mijamoto..

i know jugeing is stupid and im probably wrong about some things but im just telling you what i think instead of insulting you or your entire religeon or people :p
that wont accplish anything neighter.

I get insulted every time someone talks about gods as if they were actual beings. I find spreading false information deeply insulting. Still I expect the believers continue to do so, because I know well enough how stubborn they are. In response, I keep spreading the facts, and so the story goes on...

During the next decades or a few centuries the mainstream religions will continue to develop into a more moderate direction, and in the end they will be teaching religion only as symbolic stories, not as "facts". That is the way it should be. It is unlikely that will happen on my watch (i.e. during my lifetime), but I will do my part in arguing for more mature beliefs.

There will always be people who take some religious stories seriously (as facts), but there will be a day when they are the clear minority--at least among the educated population. I am not sure how many centuries that will take, but it may be sooner than we think. It took 2000 years for Christianity and Islam to gain their current popularity, but they will lose it faster, because modern communication is much more effective. That will cause the modern alternatives spread faster. Of course it also helps spread the old religions, but I don't think that is a problem, because when more people get more alternatives, majority will  make the right choices in the end. After the critical mass is reached, the rest will happen in a few generations.

But the world will not change, if the atheists remain silent while the religious spread their version of the "truth".

wait sakaal wat do u believe in do u believe in a religion

rofl , it's nice ,

but we all know jesus and satan story , and how god won't save anybody , like that i mean

God created the mule, and told him, "You are mule. You will work constantly from dusk to dawn, carrying heavy loads on your back. You will eat grass and lack intelligence. You will live for 50 years."
 
  The mule answered, "To live like this for 50 years is too much. Please, give me no more than 20."
 
  And it was so.
 
  Then God created the dog, and told him, "You are dog. You will hold vigilance over the dwellings of Man, to whom you will be his greatest companion. You will eat his table scraps and live for 25 years."
 
  The dog responded, "Lord, to live 25 years as a dog like that is too much. Please, no more than 10 years."
 
  And it was so.
 
  God then created the monkey, and told him, "You are monkey. You shall swing from tree to tree, acting like an *beep*. You will be funny, and you shall live for 20 years."
 
  The monkey responded, "Lord, to live 20 years as the clown of the world is too much. Please, Lord, give me no than 10 years."
 
  And it was so.
 
  Finally, God created Man and told him, "You are Man, the only rational Being that walks the earth. You will use your intelligence to have mastery over the creatures of the world. You will dominate the earth and live for 20 years."
 
  The man responded, "Lord, to be Man for only 20 years is too little. Please, Lord; give me the 20 years the mule refused, the 15 years the dog refused, and the 10 years the monkey rejected."
 
  And so God made Man to live 20 years as a man, then marry and live 20 years like a mule working and carrying heavy loads on his back. Then, he is to have children and live 15 years as a dog, guarding his house and eating the leftovers after they empty the pantry; then, in his old age, to live 10 years as a monkey, acting like an *beep* to amuse his grandchildren.

"I get insulted every time someone talks about gods as if they were actual beings."

A bit off topic, but how do you feel about conspiracy theories like that?

"During the next decades or a few centuries the mainstream religions will continue to develop into a more moderate direction, and in the end they will be teaching religion only as symbolic stories, not as "facts". That is the way it should be. It is unlikely that will happen on my watch (i.e. during my lifetime), but I will do my part in arguing for more mature beliefs."

Social extremism breeds religious extremism, which is why I think permanent moderate religions will never completely take hold over radical ones.  For instance, I'm sure more moderate Muslims have resorted to radicalism over Iraq than radicals became moderate, which is a trend that will probably continue even though you hear the odd story about Muslim leaders condemning the radicals' actions...

" but there will be a day when they are the clear minority--at least among the educated population. I am not sure how many centuries that will take, but it may be sooner than we think."

Let's look back to Greek Helenistic society.  They bore gods, but the educated and most of the middle-class were fairly athiestic in writings and personal beliefs.  You could say that the religious then became a clear minority.  However, once the Romans conquered Greece and had their civil wars (using religion as an excuse for much of it) and Europe slipped into the dark ages, religion came back in full force.  What the Greeks knew, like the diamater of the earth, was rejected when the church said the world was flat.

Conspiracy theories? Sorry I did not understand your question, Bruto.

Yes, there have been some ups and downs on the road from a religious fanatics world to a more moderate world, but in overall the direction is clear. The Greek were ahead of their time, like many other cultures have been ahead in various things and behind in others. For example Christians were very radical during the Middle-Ages, e.g. the inquisitions, but have grown more moderate now. The same will probably happen to Muslims. Surely the moderates will never get complete control, because there will always be small radical groups, but like I said, I believe the religious so-called "true believers" will be a clear minority some day.

Unfortunately terrorism only needs a tiny group of people to make it happen, so it is highly likely terrorism is here to stay. Only obscenely high global security measures could put an end to terrorism.

I would just like to mention that the church did not believe that the earth was flat.  Some of the greatest minds were actually part of the church that everyone seems to dislike so much here.

The wonderful thought that Christopher Columbus in fact was called a fool by others (Especially the church) when he said he was going to sail around the world is a wonderful myth we have today which is supported by years of backlash against centuries of church authority.

In fact a globe had been in existence for years before he even attempted this feat.  And if the church had been an all encompassing block against progress... this would not have occured.

Not only this... but Aristotle, Plato, Socrates...etc.  Were actually supported by the church and their works were considered required reading in church run schools for hundreds of years.  Of course this changed over time, as everything does.  But the church did not burn their books and works on site as some I am sure would believe.

It was in fact the church that saved many of the old Greek and Latin texts and kept them safe for future generations to use.

But I have of course grown off topic...but I just felt the need to mention these things.  Apologies of course.