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Er.... one of Path's majors is history :P.... wouldn't advise you to debate anything with him on history... hell, I wouldn't :P

You Americans have been self importantly sitting there for centuries without a single war on your own soil.

American Civil War.

Learn history before post.

>You Americans have been self importantly sitting there for centuries without a single war on your own soil.

Cold War, dumbass. More specifically the "Cuban Missile Crisis". Sure, nothing happened, but it had the potential to do far more damage (to the USA) than any other event on USA land in the past what, 1000 centuries?

Also, Pearl Harbor (WWII, naval base bombed by Japanese). Get a clue before you spew shit all over the forums again.

Hence the few lines after where I said Cold War. ;)

It was "blahblah omg tension blabla omg one false move we nuke u!!1one" and USA had Soviet planted missiles (nuclear I believe) ready to be fired at them.

Mr. Tyrgalon Report 01:07:10 May 5th 10

lol I don´t count pearl harbor into it since its just a small island and the economical/infrastructural damages where not very large, not to mention civilian casualties. It was mostly a purely militaristic loss that didn´t affect the main continent in any way.

We got into it because of Pearl Harbor, so for us, Pearl Harbor started it.  Since we've been talking about America this whole time, I don't see how my point is any less valid.

A military fleet is not infrastructure dude...you really need to read some more if you dunno what that is.

And we are talking about damage, not some political or emotional stuff. And of course they where from the mainland, but they died in pearl harbor, ie no damage was taken on the continent.

And lol of course the cold war, Cuban crisis and the remains from that time did/do affect the economy, but compared to the devastation in Europe its nothing. Have you ever look at photos from both WWs, dozens of big cities were leveled to the ground, forests where bombed to splinters and large areas became totally bare.

And as Wraith said, you can´t say a war started when your own country joined it, thats just bs. Its the same as Europeans saying that WWII ended when Germany surrendered, not true, it ended when Japan surrendered.

Now who is historically incorrect, and apparently smoking?

ps. we do follow things that happen in other parts of the world than our own, it has been on our news. I also don´t need to watch TV to get info on history, I just look it up in one of my books.

Yeah but not on the main continent.

Damage to the infrastructure and general populace is much more damaging for a country than military losses.

Infrastructure are houses roads and other stuff people use to live, a military ship is not something you need to live.

FYI vuggy: the Japanese attacked first, the Americans had been enjoying the show until pearl harbour blew up.

A Military ship is most definitely considered Infrastructure.

1.A country does not need war ships for the civilians to live, military strength is not needed for basic living. The only reason US needs a large military is because it always tries to force its ideals and own bennefits on other people, making it a target for anger and hate.

2.US got rich from exporting weapons...did you know that?

3.We were discussing America vs. Europe stuff, not just America.

4.I never said it had no negative effect on America, you really need to learn to properly read others posts.

5.Approximately 2 million Japanese died in the war. The total deaths for the war was about 60 million, around 45 million of those were in European countries. Are you seriosuly trying to compare 2 million with 45 million, even if they still suffer they will never get even close to those numbers?

6.The effects of the WWs can not be seen in the same way in Europe as in Japan, because the damage was dealt in a very different manner. Those who got lifelong health and psychological problems have almost all died and the buildings have been rebuilt, but  whole generations where lost and a lot of time, effort and money was spent to rebuild Europe. Invaluable cultural objects and buildings where destroyed and lost too, only some have been restored or recovered.

Not to mention that most of the warring between Japan and the allies took place outside the Japanese islands, causing relatively little damage except the nukes on Japanese soil.

7.I have never claimed its the Americans fault that we have had so many wars, I have only been stating that the reason for US success compared to Europe is due to the wars we have had here. And I did that because path wrote this earlier:

"Furthermore, I suppose you never asked yourself how it came to be that these idiots are the most powerful country economically, politically, and militarily.  If that country is filled with idiots, what does that say about the rest of the world I wonder?"

And its not about balls when you talk about invading a (semi-)island. For comparison, Britain has never been conquered, it is not hard to defend such a easily defended place. The only real threat would come from a totally different continent beyond a ocean. You would have to be a real "genius" to try to do that without having a incredibly large amount of resources at your disposal, a lot more than US has.

8.War is war yes, but you are forgetting that we were discussing damage to the civilians and their surroundings.

And lastly: yeah this thread has become kinda sidetracked.

"Infrastructure is the basic physical and organizational structures needed for the operation of a society or enterprise."

Have you ever lived on a ship? It's got its own little infrastructure. Basically, infrastructure as you say it is basic necessities to run a society effectively. You've got your food, water, and shelter in the ship. You basically live in there. I wasn't trying to say the ship itself is super important to the U.S. economy, but I am saying that the U.S.S. Arizona was one of the fleets most known ships got hit, and the western fleet probably would've been destroyed had the Japanese general sent the second wave of fighters, but he thought they had 'lost the element of surprise.'

And I quote this general in saying:

"I think we have done nothing more than awoken a giant beast."

>1.A country does not need war ships for the civilians to live, military strength is not needed for basic living.

Are you fucking touched in the head? Here's a pro idea for you - convince the Finny's to take down their country's defenses (WARSHIPZ LOL) and see how long your country is peaceful and quiet and unraided/unattacked by rebels and terrorists. Basic defenses (WARSHIPZ LOL) are a necessity to keep your country's citizens, I don't know... alive and safe?

>The only reason US needs a large military is because it always tries to force its ideals and own bennefits on other people

If by ideals you mean forcing rights upon it's citizen's so they're not like slaves, then you're right; however, I don't think that's what you meant, in which case, once again, gtfo my game and don't spew your retarded shit on anymore threads.

"I have only been stating moronic opinions that I pulled out my ass. And I did that because path wrote this earlier."

Fixed part of ur post bro.

Mr. Tyrgalon>"For comparison, Britain has never been conquered, it is not hard to defend such a easily defended place."

Britain has been conquered repeatedly.  I haven't studied it extensively but just off the top of my head I can think of at least:

1 Celts
2 Romans
3 Germans (Angles/Saxons/Jutes)
4 Danes
5 Normans


and thats just in the last ~2000 years....

No one has even tried, at least with a deadly vengeance, other than the German's, so you can't really put that up to bat. That's like saying the U.S. has never been conquered, no one has ever tried "since it was unified".

Th reason USA could recover was that it had so many factories already set up to make weapons to sell to europe, that it could easily start using those for their own military.

Um no most of our factories werent set up to make war weapons until AFTER the attack on Pearl Harbor. Thus it was after the attack that most of our factories began pumping weapons out. Also the reason the US recovered from the Pearl Harbor attack is not because of the factories its because that wasnt the main strength of our naval fleet. Our strength was our Air Carriers which just so happened not to be there when they were suppose to be. Lucky for us.

Also as Path said just because a country changes its name doesnt mean its not the same country.

What you "believe" or disbelieve to be a country doesn't matter. The facts are right there. 

Btw, our Pacific fleet probably would've been gone if the Japanese had decided to send that second wave... Which would've sucked. :P

So know you are suddenly an expert of history? please leave that to path, before you get pwned. England/UK has never been conquered, and thats a fact.

And what does that have to do with anything we are discussing?

ps. 2 WWs tend to "kinda" weaken a country, it happened to all colonial powers at that time. But before the WWs it was the strongest empire that existed on the planet.

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Nice song wraith, it has a good message :)

And wtf are you talking about? do you know where I am from?

So does Big Booty Bitches. Best song ever. So catchy. :D

Wtf does Finland have anything to do with Finland?!

I am just saying that England could not hold on to a simple country. They did not want apply pressure to the country and gave up easily. Shows what kind of country England is.

wtf are you talking about Sun? you seem to not know much about history...

I never said you were Arthur. Ty, India gained its independence from Britain so dont tell me I dont know my history. I am just saying Britain is weaker than the US. Some people come to the US for a better education or a better job. I rarely here people say they want to go to Britain.