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Mr ObamaUS President
05:12:52 May 2nd 10 - Mr. God Always Yodles:

What a lovely example of an American that respects his fellow American's right to free speech you are, Architect. Willing to attack someone because said person is stating their opinion, nice.


Tarwut:
"People usually become gangsters when they are poor, and they are poor because they are oppressed and despised by racists like you."

Racist? No. Against lazy illiterate fucks leeching money from hard working people who positively contribute to the community via systems such as welfare and crimes such as robbery? Yes.


"And please stop saying that I am confused"

When did I specifically say you were confused? Oh wait, what was that... never? Maybe you should gtfo and take a few remedial reading classes.


"while people with more brains, courage and better values go and make the world a better place."

Such as the millions of gangsters and criminal scum that came out of the woodworks for a one time (okay, maybe two time) vote.


05:38:36 May 2nd 10 - The Architect:

He doesn't deserve my respect, he deserves to be shot.


And I'm not stopping him from speaking am I?  Therefore I've not hindered his right to free speech at all.  He has his right and I've done nothing to hinder it, I don't have to respect his view or opinion.  

I've simply stated my own view on the situation, nothing more nothing less.


10:23:51 May 2nd 10 - Lord Wraith Hearts Wwr:

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04:26:28 May 2nd 10
I'd not be opposed to giving him my address so I could permanently fix him for trespassing on my property.  The Castle Doctrine is a great friend and I'd not hesitate to use it.

Not sure who exactly you've aimed that but... E-BALLS FTW! 




I'm sorry but I agree with God here... Why should people who cause trouble (furthermore, on such an immense scale) be given the same basic rights as any other human inhabitant of the country? Sure, I'm not American but we got our own problems here with coloured people..

Don't get me wrong, I have plenty of coloured friends and nothing against blacks as such.. Any white people acting up in that manner should also be given the same treatment.. I just don't like them f*cking with a country!


10:36:37 May 2nd 10 - The Architect:

Yeah E-Balls, and a new Springfield XD subcompact in 40SW with 180gr Gold Dot rounds that'll open up a hole about 13 inches around inside your torso that'll put you down in 4.3 seconds flat.  That and my concealed carry permit and yeah, I'm ready for him, bring him on.


The problem with it is that they're not screwing with our country any more than the Irish and British did when they came over.  They've got just as much right to be here as anyone else.  Tell me, what it is that makes them less American than the rest of us?  Give me a real reason, I've yet to hear one.

If you want to talk about a group of people who are screwing our country over, look at the mexicans.  Hundreds if not thousands pour over our border daily.  They were not born here and have entered our country illegally.  They have no right to be here.  Those African Americans who are here were born here and have just as many rights as anyone else.  Have a problem with mexicans if you're going to be prejudiced against a race.


11:07:55 May 2nd 10 - Lord Wraith Hearts Wwr:

Bleh, guns are for pussies ;) Besides, a handgun making a 13 inch hole? Not saying its not impossible, but I'm skeptical at the least :p

And I do :) The Mexicans there are doing what the Africans are doing to us here so I completely understand it. Entering the country and try to make it look like they have the right to be here..

And the thing is, those "poor" gangsters,  besides causing problems and fear, get taxpayers money from Social Services without even attempting to contribute to the society, don't they? Why?

I never said they're not American, but I did imply they're not humane people that don't deserve rights :)


11:32:28 May 2nd 10 - The Architect:

Technically it's the cavity, it then collapses down to a smaller opening.  If I can find the videos again I can link them to you, it shows the round going through ballistics gel that simulates human flesh.  So while the lasting hole won't be 13 inches, the cavity that's created as it is going through you is roughly 13 inches.


See, we don't have Africans pouring into our country anymore, at least no more than any other country, except Mexico.  So your dealings with Africans are entirely different from ours.  Your dealings with them would be more akin to our dealings with Mexicans.

I'm really not a fan of those who are gangsters and all that.  I'm not a fan of people who leech taxpayer money or take advantages of the system without paying into them.  What I hate is that what's been happening here is a metric crap ton of prejudice against everyone who is black for no other reason than because they are black, and that pisses me off.  If you are a US Citizen, you have every right that I do, there is no way to discredit that, unless you commit a felony, then you're screwed.  My beef is with the bigots who are deciding to hate an entire race for no reason.  Ill feelings towards individuals is entirely understandable, but to group every black person together into one group and say you hate them all because they are black, that's just not right.


11:44:07 May 2nd 10 - Mr. Roxbury:

The entertaining thing about Obama is that he is setting up the country for a 10-15 years reign of democratic presidents.

1. He is investing in expensive programs that will be popular to low income voters in a few years.. when their effects are felt and the costs will be forgotten. Those programs like medicare are distinctly liberal ideas, so there is no way a republican candidate can benefit from them.

2. The opposition to Obama comes in the form of a right wing Tea Party movement, which is forcing out moderate republican candidates (Charlie Crist, John McCain) and turning the republican party sharply to the right.

So get ready for another decade or two of Obamas, Clintons and Pelosis.. because if the alternative is Sarah Palin and Michael Steele.. even the americans will elect a guy with Hussein as a middle name.


11:54:23 May 2nd 10 - Lord Wraith Hearts Wwr:

That would be pretty cool Archi! :)


And yes, I agree. In fact I did compare it at some point. (I think o.O If not, my bad) 

Also, Yodles doesn't say he hates all blacks, in fact he clearly states that the ones who act humane should be given rights. Its the gangsters, wiggas, whatever that he is "prejudiced" against. Of course, thats just how I understood his words.. 

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16:14:09 May 1st 10

And before you say generalizing, I'll admit there are blacks that do, infact, act like humans, not animals. These (the ones that act like humans) are the only ones that should have the opportunity to vote (as they're the ones that would have voted in the past and have continued to vote)



Coming back to that; I disagree with him on 1 point. Just because one saw no point in voting before should not exclude them from voting permanently.. Its irresponsible in my eyes, yes, but not enough to get them booted from voting entirely.


12:07:01 May 2nd 10 - Mr. The Born Loser:

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17:44:07 May 2nd 10
The entertaining thing about Obama is that he is setting up the country for a 10-15 years reign of democratic presidents.



Either he is doing it, or the Republicans are strangling themselves by a piano string slowly but inevitably. Heck, maybe Obama is cleverly providing enough string for them to strangle themselves with.

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17:44:07 May 2nd 10
1. He is investing in expensive programs that will be popular to low income voters in a few years.. when their effects are felt and the costs will be forgotten. Those programs like medicare are distinctly liberal ideas, so there is no way a republican candidate can benefit from them.



No way a right wing Republican candidate can benefit from them, yes. A centrist Republican (someone along the lines of Colin Powell) .... yes ... if the Republican party can get their head out of the sand long enough.

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17:44:07 May 2nd 10
2. The opposition to Obama comes in the form of a right wing Tea Party movement, which is forcing out moderate republican candidates (Charlie Crist, John McCain) and turning the republican party sharply to the right.



LOL! I have no issue with these guys. If I were anti American (which I am not), I would actually want these type of folks to prosper, because they are precisely the type of internal cancer needed to crush America from within (imagine a whole gaggle of uneducated, closed minded, LIMITED people running the country... perfect for bringing it down). Hell, I bet the Russians and the Chinese would happily fund these type of groups.... I mean, what type of dumb fuck actually wants their state to secede from their country or declare rebel warfare... meh.....

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17:44:07 May 2nd 10
So get ready for another decade or two of Obamas, Clintons and Pelosis.. because if the alternative is Sarah Palin and Michael Steele.. even the americans will elect a guy with Hussein as a middle name.

Roxbury, you are betting on the majority of the Americans being smart enough to appoint the best, if not, the right person to the job. That is your bet. I am personally betting on the opposite happening. I bet the majority of the American people are dumb enough to elect a Sarah Palin / Michael Steele type into office after Obama leaves.

I hold a very strong principle in life... one's greatest asset is also one's greatest weakness. The American democratic system, one of its core foundations, will also be one of its biggest liabilities. Get the "right nuthead" candidate voted by enough dumb, short-term minded fools into the office of the President of the United States and it is "mission accomplised" for the likes of Putin and Hu Jintao.


12:23:09 May 2nd 10 - Mr. Tyrgalon:

Nodles:

"Racist? No. Against lazy illiterate fucks leeching money from hard working people who positively contribute to the community via systems such as welfare and crimes such as robbery? Yes."

Well you are making some absurd generalisations you know, from what I have read you think that more or less all blacks are gangsters and thus "lazy illiterate fucks" as you called them.


"When did I specifically say you were confused? Oh wait, what was that... never? Maybe you should gtfo and take a few remedial reading classes."

Maybe here?

"There's no need to twist my words Tarwut, I was merely pointing out facts (gangsters in the USA are notoriously poor and of African descent), as well as your conflicting statement. "

or here?

"Sorry Tarwut, but you confused me a bit with the above statements. First you claim that gangsters (who are notorious for being poor members of the African American community) wouldn't vote, then almost directly after, you claim that poor African American's would vote? Please make up your mind."


"Such as the millions of gangsters and criminal scum that came out of the woodworks for a one time (okay, maybe two time) vote."

As I said, do you really think gangsters would bother to vote for anyone?

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I have to agree whit you  about those things :P

15:44:50 May 2nd 10 - Mr. Vuggy:

If you want to talk about a group of people who are screwing our country over, look at the mexicans. Hundreds if not thousands pour over our border daily. They were not born here and have entered our country illegally. They have no right to be here. Those African Americans who are here were born here and have just as many rights as anyone else. Have a problem with mexicans if you're going to be prejudiced against a race.


New subject! Discuss!


I am pretty sure everyone agrees with you archi... it's not hard not to. The problem is, that only the cholo's (mexican gangsters for those of you who don't know) are the ones "ruining" the country. Alot of the other ones are looking for opportunity here, getting it, saving up money, then going back. But I agree. We need to put up a bigger wall... they are really way too abundant in Texas... and it's getting on my nerves.


15:49:43 May 2nd 10 - Lord Wraith Hearts Wwr:

Vuggy, wanna start copying the Chinese and their Great Wall idea? ;)


15:55:55 May 2nd 10 - Mr. Liu Bei of Shu:

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09:44:50 May 2nd 10

If you want to talk about a group of people who are screwing our country over, look at the mexicans. Hundreds if not thousands pour over our border daily. They were not born here and have entered our country illegally. They have no right to be here. Those African Americans who are here were born here and have just as many rights as anyone else. Have a problem with mexicans if you're going to be prejudiced against a race.


New subject! Discuss!


I am pretty sure everyone agrees with you archi... it's not hard not to. The problem is, that only the cholo's (mexican gangsters for those of you who don't know) are the ones "ruining" the country. Alot of the other ones are looking for opportunity here, getting it, saving up money, then going back. But I agree. We need to put up a bigger wall... they are really way too abundant in Texas... and it's getting on my nerves.

Some are getting licenses too in the U.S. and they are not even citizens O_0. Soooo many illegals that have them should not have them. They should become citizens first in order to get it. That would fix some.


15:57:56 May 2nd 10 - Mr. Vuggy:

I have no problem deporting all of them back to mexico... legal or not. If they're legal, they can come back across the border. I live in texas so I don't really like them.. I mean.. there are plenty of mexicans that are really nice.. but for the most part they make me angry... acting like they own the place when they probably aren't even legal.


15:58:35 May 2nd 10 - Lord Wraith Hearts Wwr:

Vuggy, I understand exactly how you feel :\


16:47:59 May 2nd 10 - Mr. God Always Yodles:

"Maybe here?

"There's no need to twist my words Tarwut, I was merely pointing out facts (gangsters in the USA are notoriously poor and of African descent), as well as your conflicting statement. "

or here?

"Sorry Tarwut, but you confused me a bit with the above statements. First you claim that gangsters (who are notorious for being poor members of the African American community) wouldn't vote, then almost directly after, you claim that poor African American's would vote? Please make up your mind.""


>as well as your conflicting statement.

A simple error on your part, if you want it to mean that you are confused, then sobeit.


>Please make up your mind 

That's hardly saying you're confused, that's merely friendly advice that I would hope you would take so others don't perceive you as a fool.

Once again, gtfo and schedule those remedial reading courses, maybe throw in some remedial comprehension classes too while you're at it.


On a separate note - I would fully support a great wall along the southern border of the USA and mass deportation of illegal Mexican immigrants.


16:57:14 May 2nd 10 - Mr. God Always Yodles:

>As I said, do you really think gangsters would bother to vote for anyone?

Do they not vote when they elect their gang leaders? I believe I've proven you wrong right there, but since you'll without a doubt come back and say "blahblah qq they only vote for things that directly impact them blahblah qq" I would like to preemptively point out that voting for a president does, in fact, impact them. So in conclusion, yes, they would bother to vote for "anyone".


20:38:41 May 2nd 10 - Mr. Tyrgalon:

one word: lol XD


21:20:55 May 2nd 10 - Mr. Arthur Dent:

God Always Yodles... I don't want to be mean but you're not making any sense, and haven't since the beginning.  I don't like Obama as a president, and I dislike the fact that 91% of Blacks voted for him, but that doesn't mean we shouldn't let them vote, lol.  You sound like you're from the 60's... :O  are you?!  DAMN YANKEE BLACK LOVERS >:(  <------- Is that what you grew up with? :'(


00:08:34 May 3rd 10 - Mr. God Always Yodles:

>not making any sense

That's all a matter of perspective, however, most things probably are beyond the grasp of your ickle close minded brain though. ;)


>one word: lol XD

More like "I give up and will coolly leave this thread".


03:22:49 May 3rd 10 - Mr. Vuggy:

Everything's a matter of perspective, and my perspective is that saying it's a matter of perspective is a bad perspective, and one people use when they have nothing else to say, so they try to use something that sounds intelligent. You lose Yodles, now go awhey... I already started a new subject

MEKSIKANS!


04:52:45 May 3rd 10 - Mr. Liu Bei of Shu:

More like Mixikans


05:25:12 May 3rd 10 - Mr. Arthur Dent:

"That's all a matter of perspective, however, most things probably are beyond the grasp of your ickle close minded brain though. ;)"

 

close minded? LOL!  See?!  That comment has no relevance to my post.  You can't possibly determine that I have a closed mind because of what I said.  It is a matter of perspective, I suppose, but the only people with your perspective are 1960's 50 year old Mississipians and people diagnosed with insanity.


09:14:07 May 3rd 10 - Mr. Tyrgalon:

And thats why I got tired of lecturing you on the close mindedness of american racists (ie yourself). Its the same thing with fanatics, you can have all the evidence and facts in the world, but they wonīt see it no matter what.

Btw, its a fact that amricans in average are much more close minded than people from europe, they donīt know shit about the world and its realities, and they donīt even bother to get the facts before starting a argument about something they got no clue about.


09:53:31 May 3rd 10 - The Architect:

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00:14:07 May 3rd 10
Btw, its a fact that amricans in average are much more close minded than people from europe, they donīt know shit about the world and its realities, and they donīt even bother to get the facts before starting a argument about something they got no clue about.

Mind showing me where you found the facts that said I am more close minded than people from Europe and that I don't know shit about the world and it's realities, and that I don't get facts before I enter into an argument?

I'd really appreciate seeing those facts.


11:34:28 May 3rd 10 - Lord Wraith Hearts Wwr:

Tyrgalon... seriously... shut up..

You just dug your own grave as a hypocrite there...


12:39:43 May 3rd 10 - Mr. Tyrgalon:

In europe its common knowledge, and I said in average, that doesnīt mean everyone doh...


12:47:27 May 3rd 10 - Lord Wraith Hearts Wwr:

You said to " get the facts", and haven't posted a single word of factual proof to back this up. Hypocrisy.... Wheres the proof of this "common knowledge"?


Sure, you see a lot of idiot Americans on TV but thats not all there is. And I'm pretty sure most people can admit that too many Americans are that way. But its degrading to the rest of them to say what you did. 

For instance, my American uncle and his wife did their best to learn as much as they can about Europe and Malta when they came over. Not very close minded, tbh. And their knowledge of the continent was pretty good too.

What you call "common knowledge" isn't common knowledge at all. Its just generalisation. 


13:31:30 May 3rd 10 - Mr. Liu Bei of Shu:

I have to agree with Lord Wraith on this one. Not everyone is dumb. Ppl make those shows just to entertain ppl. Tyrgalon, why not you go ask the americans questions about their past and give us those statistics when you get them.


13:33:08 May 3rd 10 - Mr. Vuggy:

Btw, its a fact that amricans in average are much more close minded than people from europe, they donīt know shit about the world and its realities, and they donīt even bother to get the facts before starting a argument about something they got no clue about.

The problem about that is that most of the people that Europeans see "not getting the facts" are kids within 10-18. So they don't really care.. it's about the same for any person within that age.. maybe a little more mature and knowledgable toward the 18, and maybe there's a couple extremely the opposite, not really caring, while there's the people who know a whole lot about what's around them. At least.. this applies to online games mostly... and all the big badness of E-thugs. :P


14:09:58 May 3rd 10 - Lord Wraith Hearts Wwr:

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13:31:30 May 3rd 10

why not you go ask the americans questions about their past and give us those statistics when you get them.


To test open-mindedness, we'd have to ask about history/whatever other than their own ;)


14:13:52 May 3rd 10 - Mr. Vuggy:

How about we talk about frakking MESSIKANS! I already changed the subject, now discuss! >:O


14:19:47 May 3rd 10 - Lord Wraith Hearts Wwr:

I'm sorry, I couldn't not post... 0=)
THIS is what gives Americans bad rep

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15:06:25 May 3rd 10 - Mr. Tyrgalon:

As I said MYSELF, not all americans are close minded. seems like people didnīt read my latest post.

I will stress it again, I NEVER said all americans are dumbheads. Show me where I did so and I will apologise, if you canīt find it, then better stop talking crap about something I have never ever said. I never make such generalisations, I am educated and open minded enough to not make such laughable generalisations.


20:17:52 May 3rd 10 - The Architect:

See, you can't take videos like that and think that's how all Americans are.  Those videos are made up of days of going out and asking questions and filtering out all the good answers so only the stupid people remain.  I could do the same thing anywhere in Europe and make you guys look like idiots who know nothing about the world they live in.


Also, @ Tyrg

It can't be common knowledge if it is not a fact, you've provided no facts so it is a theory, therefore it is a common theory/mis-conception.  I'm still waiting for you to show me the facts that said I am more close minded than people from Europe and that I don't know shit about the world and it's realities, and that I don't get facts before I enter into an argument?

A video edited like that doesn't mean much of anything.  If I'm every anywhere in Europe I'll have to make my own video of you guys in the same way.


20:20:25 May 3rd 10 - Mr. Tyrgalon:

ok its the general opinion then, and such opinions donīt come out of thin air. And do you really think I base my opinions on such videos and programs? seriously...


20:21:28 May 3rd 10 - Lord Wraith Hearts Wwr:

Hope you didn't misunderstand me, Architect... I was just posting that to show why so many people have such a low opinion of the American people. 


22:19:56 May 3rd 10 - Mr. Slegna Naila:

Arguing with Europeans is like arguing with women. You cant win...ever  >_>

They call us dumb but it wasnt us that led the world to the World Wars now was it? If were dumb that puts Europeans a couple miles ahead of us in stupidity.


22:22:13 May 3rd 10 - Mr. Tyrgalon:

Guess what Europeans say about Americans? exactly the same...


22:24:13 May 3rd 10 - Mr. Slegna Naila:

Problem is the worlds dumb just no one admits it :P


22:28:18 May 3rd 10 - Mr. Tyrgalon:

now thats something I agree on :P


01:17:21 May 4th 10 - Mr. Vuggy:

Lol archi, notice how every one of the people they asked were either old, who didn't learn this in school, a redneck, who dropped out/didn't pay attention, or some similar type of drop out. Either that or just total dumbfcuks. There are plenty of dumb people in america.. just the same as plenty of dumb people anywhere else. But there's also smart people to boot.

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02:04:12 May 4th 10 - Mr. Path:

Tyrgalon, you sir, are an imbecile.  I like how you say "its a fact" and then follow it up with "it's common knowledge".  To top off the irony you say "(Americans) donīt even bother to get the facts before starting a argument about something they got no clue about."

hahahaa

If you think for a SINGLE SECOND that all "common knowledge" is a "fact", then you need to go back to school.  If you are still in school, you need to pay more attention little man.

Next....with you being someone from Finland, I find your comments to be additionally hilarious.  Generations of your family have slept comfortably under a blanket of protection against aggression from the east granted by these idiots you speak of.  Furthermore, I suppose you never asked yourself how it came to be that these idiots are the most powerful country economically, politically, and militarily.  If that country is filled with idiots, what does that say about the rest of the world I wonder?

Read a book.  Stop using youtube as your scholarly reference.


03:46:16 May 4th 10 - Mr. Arthur Dent:

Lol Wraith!!!!  That's a hilarious film.  I would like to see someone do the same thing though to British people and filter out all the semi-intelligent answers ;)


11:02:39 May 4th 10 - Lord Wraith Hearts Wwr:

I know, Arthur, but you have to admit its pretty damn funny :p

"What religion is a Buddhist monk?", "How many sides in a triangle?" :p

And I was just doing it to show why people think of Americans so lowly.


12:42:38 May 4th 10 - Mr. Tyrgalon:

"Next....with you being someone from Finland, I find your comments to be additionally hilarious.  Generations of your family have slept comfortably under a blanket of protection against aggression from the east granted by these idiots you speak of.  Furthermore, I suppose you never asked yourself how it came to be that these idiots are the most powerful country economically, politically, and militarily.  If that country is filled with idiots, what does that say about the rest of the world I wonder?

Read a book.  Stop using youtube as your scholarly reference."


1. To argument about Finnish history with a Fin, without checking the facts, now THAT is hilarious. XD

2. Finland has never been protected by America or any other country during its independence. During WW2 we where 2 times at war with our neigbour, Russia/ USSR. America even declared war against us due to the Russians attacking us, even if no fighting occurred. So much for America "protecting" Finland.

ps.Even today are we not a member of NATO like many other European countries that border russia, do you know why? because invading finland is an invitation for a slaughter. Just check up the Winter War and Continuation War.

3. The reason for Americas success are the rich natural resources, the amount of people, and intellectual immigrants from Europe due to the wars we have had on our soil. If you even studied European history a little you would know that we have had countless wars tearing our countries apart, causing enormous financial and infrastructural damage, not to mention the millions who have died. You Americans have been self importantly sitting there for centuries without a single war on your own soil.

FYI. Finland alone has been in over a dozen wars trough its combined history with Sweden. And we are a country at the fringes, now what about France, Great Britain, Spain, Austria, Russia (depends how you see it)...? wanna compare how many wars there have been in America compared to Europe from when America was found?

4. I have read a lot of history, I took all possible courses in it, so better watch your flapping tongue. And as I said before, I NEVER base any opinion purely on something I have seen on youtube. Half a dozen cases of people wanting someone like sara palin as president(or other political positions) already gives a clue.


13:30:20 May 4th 10 - Mr. Vuggy:

America has a war... a war on terrorists! >:D

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15:31:34 May 4th 10 - Mr. Roxbury:

This thread needs more Swifty and Cobra!


16:17:41 May 4th 10 - Mr. Path:

I'm obviously referring to post ww2.  Regarding the winter war and the continuation war, I know all about it.  In fact, I know infinitely more of the subject than you do apparently.  I love this part where you really show your ignorance:

>"America even declared war against us due to the Russians attacking us, even if no fighting occurred. So much for America "protecting" Finland."

hahahahahahaa, is this more of your "common knowledge"?  Once again little man, READ A BOOK!  Totally untrue.  Find me proof.  While you are looking for this proof, you will discover just how wrong you are.

>"Finland has never been protected by America or any other country during its independence."

I am almost embarrassed for you concerning how little you know of the history of your own damn country.  It is quite ironic that you are in this thread calling Americans ignorant when this one knows more about your own country than you do.

I wrote a rather large paper four years ago concerning the actions of the German (Austrian really) mountain troops in Lappland.  There they fought and died in the defense of Finland against Soviet attacks.  At the end of the war, the Finns gave thanks to their German brothers in arms by turning on them.  After Finland had given the Soviet Union land in appeasement to end the war, the Germans had to bail out as well and were in the process of withdrawing to Norway.  While at first the Finns were hesitant to fight their former allies, their new Soviet overlords were aware of this and demanded action.  So, in effort to appease their new Soviet overlords, the Finns started launching attacks at the retreating Germans.  So, as you see, I am also well versed in Finnish hospitality as well.

I realize that small countries love to romanticize these types of stories to make it sound like they are unconquerable.  Iceland similarly likes to believe that they defeated the United Kingdom in the 3 "cod wars".  They have netcutters and anchors sitting in museums describing how they "defeated the British".  I don't wish to belittle the efforts of the Winter War and the Continuation War.  I personally love the David vs Goliath stories like this.  However, I think you have taken a blind patriotic stance concerning them rather than looking at them objectively.  If you think those wars are what stopped Soviet aggression against your country for the rest of the century, then you are sorely mistaken.  If you wish to pursue the subject further, I can go into greater detail concerning why.  To sum it up in a few sentences however, post WW2 Finland is a shell of its former self militarily.  And the Red Army of 1939 was a total joke compared to how advanced it would become just 3-4 years later.  Just ask the Germans about that.  Furthermore, the Continuation war was nothing but a sideshow for the Soviet Union in the later phases of the war.  When it comes down to it,the only reason that war ended was because they were busy racing the western allies to Berlin and didn't want the distraction.

Last of all...the reason Finland never joined NATO is quite simple.  It has always been in their best interest not to.  To even speak of joining NATO would only provoke some form of aggression and retaliation.    Even after the fall of the Soviet Union, countries near Russia that have joined NATO are receiving intense backlash from that decision.  Finland was just scared to rile the beast next door.  I think it was a smart decision.  Not to mention...if you have the luxury of staying neutral, its certainly a cheaper option.  Not all countries have other countries acting as counterweights to their aggressive neighbors however.

Anyhow...I await either your "mysterious" disappearence from this thread, or else another ridiculous nonsensical reply.


16:35:51 May 4th 10 - Mr. Tyrgalon:

Yes the germans helped us, but we also fought against them, so its kinda 50/50. And FYI, the germans had to be forced out, they destroyed cities bridges and killed people on their way out. If they really wanted to get out fast then they could rather easily have done so, Lapland is a very open place with wast borders to Sweden and Norway.

And I know about all the things you have listed here, but that does not diminish the fact we were not conquered even when we faced overwhelming forces. And yes the russian army is better now than then, but Finland still has a lot of guns compared to inhabitants, we are anything but weak considering how few we are.

And I dunno about any counterweight to russia, what country(s) would that be?
what I do know is that we have manage keep our relations unruffled, we have learned to walk the rope betwen russia and europe. That is also a reason why we prospered after the war, until USSR fell apart that is.

And there are people in Finland who would like to join NATO, but so far it has leaned relatively strong towards not doing so. Every now and then someone brings it up among the politicians tho.


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