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Don't kid yourself that the US will ever be able to control a country like India.

Stop taking the piss, Sun

Like your determination in Vietnam? :)

Ahhh right, I guess thats called a training exercise, huh? ;)

I could take Malta with a jet boat and a hand gun...

So what, it still was a big war and you failed. People fighting on their own ground and for their families are always stronger than the attackers, and you got help from France and Spain.
Not to mention that UK had a lot of other things going on at the same time as they where fighting in America, they had the biggest empire in the world to keep in check.

And you have to consider what kind of equipment UK had at the time when they controlled India, muskets, horses and sail ships. India had a lot of people in it already at that time, and they also made one very large and devastating revolt, but the UK manage to suppress it, took them 1 year due to the share size of it.

And btw, India never fought itself free, UK let it free after countless pleads and peaceful actions by the Indians. I hope you have heard about Ghandi, if you haven´t, then better stfu about anything concerning India.

Also, if you knew your history, then you would know that most colonies made themselves free before India, it got to costly for the empires to hold on to them, and they had found ways to make the former colonies dependent on them, so that they still reaped the economical benefits, in some cases they still do.

USA came around in 1781, then rewrote its governemnt in 1787, but prior to that to British Colonist rebelled against the British in the revolutionary war, not looking so well for the colonist in the beginning but after the major victory at the battle of Ticonderoga the french joined in and happened to show up at the perfect time, at the battle of york town

Lieutenant General de Rochambeau and the french navy merely made it so that the british could not escape to the sea, while General Washington and his men pressed on General Cornwallis at yorktown, the result, British loss.

THEN again in 1812 the British lost to the Americans, when we were still a small and growing country. We have come along way, but from the beginning we stood up against the worlds largest standing army and won.

America would never try to colonize Iran... lol that's one of the stupidest things I've heard...

Actually, the country I come from also has some of the stupidest politicians on this planet, nay, this universe, but at least they don't talk about wars and colonizing another country :P

And "liberate" them XD I am amazed how Americans never realise that many of those countries don´t want to get "liberated", they have their own culture and way of life, they don´t want some foreign imbeciles to come mess with how they live.

And just a example what people fighting for their homes can do, take a look at the winter war between Finland and Russia. Stalin figured that the communists in Finland would help them take us over, but instead we all united and became one, when before the war we had been divided.
In the end we officially lost the war, we lost a lot of land and men. But they failed to conquer us which they thought they could do in a few weeks, if you look at the statistics on amount of men and equipment, they should have.
Instead they got massive casualties and equipment losses, got a bad reputation and got a few mostly worthless stretches of land. For us Finnish it has always felt as a victory.

And some info about Uk at its peak:
They controlled 20% of all the land area in the WORLD, and 1/4(!) of the world population lived inside its boundaries. No other country was even near it, the only reason it fell was because it was so wide spread over the whole world, that its military got overstretched in the WWs. And they decided that it wasn´t worth the effort, they got the money anyway lol. The French weren´t as smart, they kept trying to hold on but just lost a lot of men and money in the process.

Kinda wondering the same, their arguments don´t make much sense.

Agreed.

Long live Colombia and Panama!
Though Panama is a forsaken country..

............................................................................um we are the sons/daughters of virtually every country in the world.

Yes I am saying Italians are Romans, that English are Africans. Yes American are British, igas if it was 300 years ago you still be their sons and daughters, dont forgive your roots.

yeah but just accept you are the damn sons and daugthers of the damn UK.

I, like most American, can trace my ancestory back to a boat from Europe, but not England. My entire blood line can be traced back to Russia and Italy within 6 generations. Thats the story for a large portion of the US. If I had to take a stab at it, I'd say maybe <10% of Americans are descendents of Brits (original colonizing Brits). Think about all the blacks, hispanics, and asian descendents in the US in the US. They are all americans and definitely NOT all brits. I believe that string has been snapped.

I'm english.. not british. And barely any of it.. mostly german.

"Instead they got massive casualties and equipment losses, got a bad reputation and got a few mostly worthless stretches of land. For us Finnish it has always felt as a victory."

Finland has something besides worthless stretches of land?? O.O

Did I argue the fact that we are related to Brits?  If you read what I posted earlier you'll see that I was telling everyone else the exact same thing that you're getting on my case for not knowing.  Try to keep up with where the thread is going and where it has been please, and read stuff before you post...seriously.

I consist of

1part Indigenous American (indian (eagle feather not red dot)
1part Puerto Rican
1part French
3parts German
0.05parts Brit
0.05parts jew
0.05parts African (light skinned - perhaps Egyptian)
2parts Spanish
A total of 8.15 for a whole (i like this math - it makes sense)
all that = American Psycho Mutt and damn proud of it.

Mongrels are the next generation human technology - at least the US is again leading the way.  Who really cares - nationalism gave us WWI & WWII and a whole lot of other messes.  There are no winners in war - but we as humans can't live without conflict and struggle.  There are very little differences in people - if i cut you open (and i truly would like the opportunity) everyone here has the same organs linked up to the same brain etc.  When i cut you bleed red - if its another color...i pull the gun out to make it quick.  What's my point - get all riled up, it doesn't matter until world cup time.

Speaking of which - why does the US seem to be so dominant in the Olympic games, but can't seem to put a decent ball team together? 

There were about 5 different people who referenced what I said and more who had something to say about what I said.  My response was to whoever those people were.

My... Oh dear. This thread makes my head hurt, yet I found myself compelled to read it.
Off the top of my head, here's a few points;

#1; Americans are American. Not British, though they may be of English descent. (I am a Canadian, yet am a mixture of English, Scottish and First Nations).
#2; America did not win the war of 1812! To put it succinctly, the only people who really "won" in the war of 1812 were the Canadian's, as we successfully defended our land against invasion (although we didn't really gain anything, so our "victory" was solely defensive). The American's failed their invasions of Canada and suffered the torching of their capital. The British lost some troops and some battles, and really gained nothing except the assurance that they wouldn't have to send more troops to defend Canada as post-war relations were generally positive.
#3; America did not suffer the infrastructural and civilian damage that Europe was crushed by in either of the World War's, and was able to come out of WWII with a new era of riches and prosperity, soon becoming the world Superpower as all the former superpowers had been badly damaged during the war.
#4; The British Empire didn't as much collapse as it did fade. The Brit's defeated almost every revolution (while I could be incorrect, the only successful anti-British military revolution was the American Revolution, which only succeeded because of the humongous influx of foreign support, specifically from France who nearly bankrupted themselves helping the American's.) I highly doubt that America, as a colonial power, would be able to hold onto India, an ancient nation that is fast becoming the most populous nation in the world. The British only gave it up when overwhelming local public opinion gently shoved them out.
#5; Every nation has ignorant, racist, ultra nationalistic bigots. America seemingly has a higher % of such (even though I strongly suspect that only 2-5% of American's fall into this category) than many other Western Nations. Interestingly, America's population of such people has been highlighted in the Media, books, film and television, whereas similar people in other countries are not as prominent. Alas, too many people (including, to some small extant, myself) see modern day America through the lenses of the Media, books, film and television.
#6; The Kingdom of England, now known as the United Kingdom, has never been successfully invaded, even though the Spanish, French and German's all tried. The land, Britannia, has been successfully invaded and conquered. (William the Conqueror set up the Kingdom of England in 1066. Therefore, England has had a no-conquer record of 944 years.)
#7; I'm going to go back a few pages and respond to something I saw earlier in this thread, namely God Alway's Yodles (and others) opinions of black American's. Many, many people do not vote because of fatalism, lack of education (rarely their fault) or just because they don't give a damn. Obama, quite cleverly I may add, gave many of these people "A damn". Therefore, they voted for him. These people are not gangster, drug-addicted villains who live off the system! They are just poor people, who can't get a good job because some greedy bastards realize they can get them to work for peanuts. Once in a rut like that, it is very hard to get out! Not impossible, just hard, especially as their culture is screaming at them that it is impossible. Because of that, many don't try.
These people still deserve to vote! Since Obama and his democrats got them to vote, good on them! Having voted (and actually made a difference!) once, they will likely do it again, and grow to like this whole democratic voting-thing.

Path, while I may disagree with some of your opinions, I really appreciate the factual basis for your arguments and your knowledge of history. If you, or anyone else, sees a FACT, that I am wrong about, I apologize. Feel free to correct me.

#6; The Kingdom of England, now known as the United Kingdom, has never been successfully invaded, even though the Spanish, French and German's all tried. The land, Britannia, has been successfully invaded and conquered. (William the Conqueror set up the Kingdom of England in 1066. Therefore, England has had a no-conquer record of 944 years.)

Mmm, nope.  England was actually founded in the 900s...William the Conqueror actually came over to take the crown of England he thought he deserved (He was the cousin of the king who had no living children, but did have a sister who was married.  Edward (the king of England in 1066) passed on the crown to his brother-in-law instead of passing to the more distant cousin William).  William & Co. after conquering England also annexed Wales...


#2; America did not win the war of 1812! To put it succinctly, the only people who really "won" in the war of 1812 were the Canadian's, as we successfully defended our land against invasion (although we didn't really gain anything, so our "victory" was solely defensive). The American's failed their invasions of Canada and suffered the torching of their capital. The British lost some troops and some battles, and really gained nothing except the assurance that they wouldn't have to send more troops to defend Canada as post-war relations were generally positive.

Ironically, one of the most famous battle of the war (the Battle of New Orleans) happened after the war was over lol