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If you don't celebrate 4th of july just get the hell out. Simple.

I believe in "Americanized" ( i have no fuc|<in clue what that's supposed to mean) ideas not because I've been told them, but because I take pride in where I was born. My heritage may be of difference, but I have my own opinions. Maybe you should just leave america and do everyone a big favor? And yes, being a mod should give you a certain level of responsibility, of which you show none when you stoop to the level of the anti-Freedom people.

omericans r fat and have big nozes lol!!!

Or the widely known "Roman nose". But he said omericans, and I'm American, so I'm not bothered, plus that's pretty off lol, most people have pug noses. XD

I believe in "Americanized" ( i have no fuc|<in clue what that's supposed to mean) ideas not because I've been told them, but because I take pride in where I was born. My heritage may be of difference, but I have my own opinions.

So it some it up pretty generally:

You believe all the crap you were spoon fed by your government?

Arthur, is that because he's black? Or because you know all of his views? Quietone, I had no clue what he meant by Americanized, I thought he meant american view on things. And "So to sum it up" would have not confused me as much. XD (sorry, grammar nerd. lol) Demonslayer, people are only full of themselves because they have positions of power. It's freedom that has gotten them this way, and every country has a 75% populace that are full of themselves at some point and probably at LEAST 25% that ALWAYS think they are the best. Americans are only the way they are because of the freedom they were won, and you know what? I've tried to be nice to you. All you do is get me more frustrated with all of your comments when I'm trying to be nice.

I never said you were racist. It's just, almost every person's mind runs that white presidents are the better because it has been that way for ages, but other people can rule too (not women ;] )... Alot of the black community voted for Obama just because he's black, and alot of the white community did the opposite. Arthur, name at least 4 views of his you disagree with if you don't like him.

His idea to take some of our soldiers out of Iraq right away. that is bad cause the ones at the end who get out will be easy targets for the terrorists. Also he is trying to be too nice to the terrorist in the Israel area, and he doesn't like/support Israel enough even though they are our greatest ally in the Middle East. His tax plan is also bad. he taxes people who earn over 200,000 even though they deserve the money cause they earned it. He is giving too much to the poor and not wanting them to work to get out of povery (which is possible in America but hard in other countries). also he is giving money to the car companies like GM who are going bankrupt by their own stupid faults and he is spending OUR money to save them so they can design a stupid 2 wheeled death-trap that can only go 35 MPH! and even with our money the company still went bankrupt! the stimulus bills in general are bad cause they are just putting us into more debt. and although he is just trying to circulate the money it is not working and wont work and he is just putting us into more debt and killing our country. there are more reasons as well and also some personal stuff with him that are shaky but there are more than 4 views for you Gawaine. and actually the white votes were split nearly 50/50 but the BLACK VOTE WAS SPLIT 92/8!!!!!!!! i find that horrible.

lol, ok then. What is everyone doing for 4th of July?

Israel-We have problems at home. We support Israel nothing is ever going to change. We need to stitop giving them weapons so that they feel invincible and start cutting back so they are forced to negotiate. Also, it will save us some money aswell

Obama isent giving out hand-outs, he's giving the poor an incentive to work.

People are being taxed more because the country needs more money. You cant take somthing from teh poor whitch tehy dont have. That will only reduce theer incentive to work as they will see they will have to pay of all this debat.

If GM were to fail, hunders of thousands of jobs would be lost. Making even mroe people dependent on well fare. Not to mention country moral. Those people who lost there jobs will get into the habit of depending on hand outs.

As for the votes, This was eh first black presendet in 43. Im not amazed that the black community would vote for him in such high numbers.

... wow. ok

Irael: If Israel falls to the Terrorists then we have no ally in the ME. Israel right now has nukes, unlike any other country in the ME (for now). If we stopped helping Israel then they might use their nukes to defend themselves when the terrorists or Iran or Palestine or whoever attacks. This would cause massive destruction and eventually kill more people and most likely kill Israel cause then the West powers would not like them for using nukes. anyways if Israel dies then the middle East will go unchecked and the iranian government would be unchecked to attack the Western powers and devolop nuclear power.

Hand-out: yeah he is giving out hand-outs and how could that help give an incentive to work? the only incentive i would need to work is to get out of poverty! if i was getting free money from the government for being poor then why would i want to work harder?

Taxes: i am not saying to tax the poor people. I am saying to not tax the rich people just cause they are rich. The people in the country need more money and jobs. We can achieve this by letting the people/businesses keep the money they earn, not by letting the government get the money to spend on more freeways and stuff that the Democrats want to save but still put more roads on them!?!?

If GM fails then woopdi-do! the people who lose their jobs will find jobs at other car companies cause those companies would have less competition from GM! And besides GM has already failed and gotten read of a lot of their employees, it is government-run now.

You are not amazed that the black community would vote for him in so high numbers!!! YOU SHOULD NOT VOTE FOR SOMEONE SOLELY CAUSE OF HIS RACE! and that is what they did. i don't care if it was the 1st black candidate or the 21st black candidate, they are just candidates with different backgrounds and skin color! you should vote for the PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES because they will RUN THE COUTRY BETTER, NOT BECAUSE OF THEIR BACKGROUND! oh and just saying he is only half black you know right?


but anyways i was just defending my side. seriously this thread is about 4th of july so what are you guys doing? i am just launching loads of fireworks in my backyard to celebrate our country! I don't care if it is illegal!

sorra, i respect your views, but i disagree, the israel thing is whishy washy, but we need to support them atleast to some degree

helping the poor is good, but too much of a bad thing is bad, i think he crosses the limit,

the country needs more money because the government spends too much, this is more than just an obama thing, taxing the poor should be avoided, ya, but the rich and middle class have normally worked hard for their money, just like they poor, [yes, i know theres some exception, but thats life] so is it fair to take money from anyone, a happy median has to be found, maybe a different taxing system, it needs to be looked at and dealt with, but i dont think obama's plan is the best way it can be done

if gm fails, thousands will lose jobs, yes, companies fail for reasons, bad business decisions normally, thats why there is bankruptcy, to give companies a second chance, basically the gov't bought stock in GM, but what i dont like is that obama handpicked the new CEO, thats not very free-market like last i checked

and he's black, i dont care about that, i'm sure you dont either, but some people do.  whatever reason someone has to vote for anyone, shouldnt it be because of his policies, that didnt happen in every case this time, its an example of american ignorance, something that we see more and more of these days, its sad, its a failing of piece of our culture,
America needs to look inward at ourselves and solve some of our own problems.  To be great, one has to know of and accept their own flaws in order to act to correct and improve them. it is no different for countries and other governing entities/deities [bow down and worship the president, lol :) ]

Mr. Gawaine


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00:54:19 Jun 19th 09 I believe in "Americanized" ( i have no fuc|<in clue what that's supposed to mean) ideas not because I've been told them, but because I take pride in where I was born. My heritage may be of difference, but I have my own opinions. Maybe you should just leave america and do everyone a big favor? And yes, being a mod should give you a certain level of responsibility, of which you show none when you stoop to the level of the anti-Freedom people.

--> Stupidity like that is what creates world wars. Let's hope you never get into a lead-giving position in America.


Arthur Dent:

Irael: If Israel falls to the Terrorists then we have no ally in the ME. Israel right now has nukes, unlike any other country in the ME (for now). If we stopped helping Israel then they might use their nukes to defend themselves when the terrorists or Iran or Palestine or whoever attacks. This would cause massive destruction and eventually kill more people and most likely kill Israel cause then the West powers would not like them for using nukes. anyways if Israel dies then the middle East will go unchecked and the iranian government would be unchecked to attack the Western powers and devolop nuclear power.

--> you shoot a nuclear missile, you can expect a few back. That why nobody uses them. So even if Israel would lose to Palestina (highly unlikely), they still wouldn't end up shooting everyone with nuclear missiles. Why does the US have to control everybody like they're trying to?

Did you forget the biggest reason Iraq was invaded? Nuclear weapons! Do you know how many nuclear weapons have been found? 0! You telling me 10000 iraqi civilians died for nothing?! They were much better off with Sadam Hussain than they are now. So tell me, what good was invading Iraq? Except putting up the oil prices , wasting about 15000 lifes and 4 BILLION dollar? And now you wish to use the same excuse for warring iran?



If GM fails then woopdi-do! the people who lose their jobs will find jobs at other car companies cause those companies would have less competition from GM! And besides GM has already failed and gotten read of a lot of their employees, it is government-run now.
--> There already are many unemployed. And no, if you think GM competitors would take over the GM employees, you're sadly mistaking. Companies can't just grow that much in a few months to take a few thousand more employees in. And you said it, LESS COMPETITION = Higher car prices = worse for the consumer.


Taxes: i am not saying to tax the poor people. I am saying to not tax the rich people just cause they are rich. The people in the country need more money and jobs. We can achieve this by letting the people/businesses keep the money they earn, not by letting the government get the money to spend on more freeways and stuff that the Democrats want to save but still put more roads on them!?!?

--> right, and your roads, police, etc. will come out of themselves? Taxes need to be made. And the more they're made the better, and the more added percentage the rich pay, the better or are you saying the rich should get richer and the poor poorer?
And also, you're mixing 2 things up. People earning lots of money, won't result in more jobs. Even companies making more money doesn't nesacarily(sp?) mean more jobs. With modern industry, robots can do almost everything, so it may also result in people getting fired and more machinery being used.

What WOULD be good (imo.) would be that the government takes over the banks (big investment, but so worth it long-term). The whole economic crisis probably wouldn't have happened, and they can make incomes more equal when they take over all banks. And give bigger intrest to the families with less money . It'd take a lot of organising and money, but it'd be so worth it long term.

Pardon my french but you britsh are *beep*ing asses *beep* *beep* *beep* *beep* whores *beep* *beep*ers

why does everyone seem so pissed off,
we all have different viewpoints on everything
NO ONE is completely correct
i am not completely correct and neither are you
we all have our faults and we all have our gifts
when human kind can coexist and cooperate, amazing things will happen
but as this thread shows, we all have our amazing egos that will not allow us to even think about what the other person is saying
in american politics [i'm not as accustomed to other countries, sorry] normally only people on the left or right get ellected. WHERE ARE THE MIDDLE MEN. there are very few in the middle ground, very few that recognize that both sides have good ideas and both sides have bad ideas. we dont have these middle men because PEOPLE ARE AFRAID OF IDEAS CONTRARY TO THEIR OWN. that means only relative extremists get elected because people vote for who makes them feel safe. people dont want to consider the other sides ideas as valid, so they demonize them. If the people start actually considering the validity of the other sides ideas, they realize that some things they believe may not always be the best idea. That requires them to reflect upon themselves and find their own faults, but people want nothing less then a single moment of true self awareness when they realize the world doesnt revolve around them.  Thus, due to people people's insecurities they demonize opposing viewpoints because they fear true insight into themselves.  This creates a lack of understanding the other side.  When people dont understand eachother and are unwilling to give the other sides ideas even a moment of thought,  things escalate and on the (inter)national scale wars can start

My politic ideas are no better and no worse than yours,
i respect all ideas because information is only information
its what you do with that information that matters
its ok to be nice to each other, agree or disagree with someone, knowing and understanding each other's viewpoints can only benefit the human race, i advise all of you to open your mind and think for yourself


this next part is about fat americans
its true, i work in a store, i see fat people everywhere, its terrible and we as americans need to address this problem, i dont think the problem is the food that people eat, but is more of the entire lifestyle. Its a lifestyle of fast food, sit on couch, watch tv, when you watch tv, you dont exercise the body or the mind, so as you do it you just get dumber and fatter, tv is bad and can be addicting, its alright in moderation, but many people spend hours watching it, in addition to tv, look at what americans do for fun these days, computer games, eat, tv, its not sports or outdoors stuff for many people anymore, the american culture needs some major renovation, lifestyles need to become more active and a larger emphasis on education and knowledge needs to be in place, without a change, america will just keep dwindling, the way i see it, the growing ignorance of america is already have negative affects on us, according to the news i watch[i cant say for sure that its accurate because i have nothing to prove it, the gov't says they dont control it, but just because uncle sam says something doesnt mean its true, they've lied before] well my news says the current economic crisis started in america and came from the collapse of our housing market, why did the housing market collapse, because people were buying homes they couldnt afford, why would you buy a house you cant afford, its sounds like some people could've been smarter. yes, i know its a weak example, but i think i made the point that american ignorance is starting to affect us and the world. and i understand that people bought houses as an investment that they expected to keep going up in value, and thats ok when only a minority of the people are doing that, but in america, the collective populous was buying houses that were too expensive for them, my family did it, so point is, americas culture needs to be revamped and correct its faults

if you think i dont sound like a dumb american
well i'm an american atleast, but you can decide if i'm dumb or not, i know many of my fellow citizens are completely worthless and brainwashed, but i try to distance myself from them
and if your an american and dont think your brainwashed, i ask you this, how often do you question the validity of the MASS MEDIA that is broadcast INTO THE HOMES OF EVERY AMERICAN. doesnt that sound like the perfect platform to keep you thinking what they want you to think, i'm not paranoid i assure you, but my eyes are just open to the POSSIBILITY, i cant say for sure if anything is going on in it, but i can say most americans act like sheep and just follow the herd, and the sheperd that controls the herd is deffinately the gov't. they have power, they cant help it, power corrupts

things need reshaping

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yeah *beep* those americans ! go wolfy

Water you need to learn I am American and proud of it.  If you read the post I am tired of stupidity running rampide from everyone.  No country is better then the other.  I know this because I have traveled the world serving my Country.  So before you get all high and mighty I told EVERYONE to shut the hell up.  Every country has its pros and cons.  The only difference from us and the rest of the world is that are media makes a big deal out of everything since it gets people to watch.  If you look at all the countries we are the only ones that have been given complete freedom to bare arms and protect are land.  That is why no one could successfully invade America.  Every home would be a fight.

well Wolfenstien, I agree with you for the most part. I could argue some points but whatever i don't really want to cause you are right and this is going a little far. I will agree with Trau though about how the Mass Media is extremely corrupt and extremist. I have known this for a long time. I am a Republican living in a Democratic state so it is easy for me to see how the news stations brainwash people. Fox News is the only Republican station on basic cable and there are like 4-5 Democratic ones. I hate them all cause they all spin everything, but I hate the fact that there are so many more Democratic ones. So yes Americans are brainwashed, but what about the rest of the world? you can't tell me that they are not a little either. (oh and i am actually wondering what it is like in other countries cause i haven't left this one too many times)

ok that last bit better have been a joke. and about the spinning, this is what i said "I hate them ALL cause they all spin everything" yes of course republicans spin stuff, it is just that there are way more Democratic media and thus more people would watch the Democratic media and also in comparison to ALL the other media Fox seems extremely right wing when they really aren't. And we went into the "War on terror" because of the 911 bombings. We were in Saudia Arabia (pardon my spelling) before to stop Kuwait from being taken by Sudam and thus keep our oil in that region.

The way American minds work, Lewatha, is that if it doesn't concern you stay out of it. >.< Unfortunately, that has led to stupidity in our country, and that is why there is a difference between the people living here. As I stated before there are about 3 overall stereotypes that sum it up: Rednecks and their stupidity (45%); Yankees and their arrogance (45%); and then the people who are actually smart (10%). My whole family is dang smart and has a broad knowledge of everything going on, so you can't put that on all of us... (I know you didn't say all of Americans are this way) And quite frankly Arthur, they both spin everything they need to to fit their needs. It's not "one group does it more than the other", it's just "they both do it". End of story. It's always that way with politics, one side saying the other does more wrong than they do, and it's really pretty sad.

yeah Gawaine they both do it. but there is a bigger Democratic presence in the media and that is what worries me cause then more people are brainwashed on that side. Anyways your statistics about the stereotypes are horrible. What about the people on the West coast like in Washington or Oregon? i can tell you we are not rednecks or yanks (in fact we hate the Yankees, cheat the other ball teams :P). The real statistics are more like 20% rednecks, 25% Yanks, and 55% other which includes smart and stupid people. Really don't feed the present portrayal of 90% of americans are stupid or arrogant, that is not it at all and if you think that way then you are in the 45% i mentioned earlier.

in the populated areas or rural? not cities like portland right?